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[Interview] One of the Original Losers from ‘IT’ 1990 Makes a Cameo Appearance in ‘IT: Chapter Two’!

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As I wrote back in 2017 just before IT: Chapter 1 was released, I think it’s a mostly pointless exercise to make an honest comparison between the original 1990 miniseries and the new adaptation from Andy Muschietti. Nearly every element of the two films are different and the overall cinematic ecosystems in which they were both created are also very distinct. Sure, one could compare how faithful or unfaithful the stories were to the original text. But aside from that, it’s apples and oranges for me.

That said, looking at the miniseries and both Chapters 1 and 2 exactly two years later, it’s fun to see the ways in which Muschietti and his team have tipped their hats to Tommy Lee Wallace’s film. Fellow miniseries diehards swooned at the sight of a Tim Curry-Pennywise doll in Richie’s dreaded clown room in Chapter 1. So, the question leading up to IT: Chapter Two was: would the filmmakers surprise us with another miniseries Easter egg? 

The short answer: Absolutely.

Cue actor Brandon Crane. No, your eyes aren’t playing tricks on you (nor is Pennywise) — that’s really Brandon “Ben Hanscom” Crane from the miniseries popping up early on in Chapter 2 and–at least for this IT fanatic–the reveal elicited a massive smile. 

Full disclosure: I had the inside scoop about his cameo appearance–nevertheless, to actually see him appear on the big screen during the LA premiere screening last month was pure Losers Club bliss. As someone who values lineage and all the things that come before us, I appreciate the respect these new films have shown for the miniseries and Crane’s cameo appearance is just the latest example of this. So, with that, I caught up with my pal to find out more about how his cameo came to be, what it meant to him, and the connection he’s developed with Jeremy Ray Taylor–the young actor playing Ben Hanscom in the new films. 

*After you’ve read the interview below cruise on over to Brandon’s website and learn more about his career and even pick up some killer Haystack swag! https://brandoncrane.com/      

John Campopiano: Tell us how you came to be involved in IT: Chapter 2.

Brandon Crane: For years, Warner Bros. had threatened to do a film adaptation and the creative team would part ways with the project citing the usual “creative differences”. But things got real (finally) when the cast was announced in 2016 and photography started. I was completely blown away when the trailer dropped in 2017 and immediately looked [Andy Muschietti] up on Facebook because I had to say something. He answered back and we would continue to chat about the miniseries until the movie hit theaters.

After seeing it on opening night and having loved the movie so much I reached out to congratulate him (for whatever it was worth) and he said, “I seriously think you have to do a cameo in part 2”. I was in absolute shock. This was too much — for a moment, I thought I was being trolled this whole time by a really dedicated fan account. I switched to Instagram and sent him a screenshot of the Facebook conversation and said, “Andy – am I getting trolled over on Facebook?” –  nothing.

Some time later he replies, “Yeah, I am the troll! I think you should do a cameo.”

The universe really works this way? What an awesome time to be alive. We agreed to keep it a secret, and 6 months later I read for the role so Andy could pitch the idea to New Line. A year after we originally talked about it I’d be in Toronto standing in front of a camera for the first time in over a decade.

JC: Can you share a little bit about what the experience was like for you on set filming your scene?

BC: I have to admit I was so nervous when the morning came. This was a bucket list thing for me, because I had never had a role in a feature. Andy and Barbara have so much integrity as human beings and artists — they stuck their neck out for me and I didn’t want to let them down.

I had to leave at 4:30 am and I was taken right to the base camp to check in — then they took us to the set where we did a little rehearsal and then it was back to camp for hair and makeup. I got dressed, they took us to set and somehow the nerves went away. Everything was like I remembered: I got rigged up for sound and we walked in [and] started shooting. It was also the first time I’ve acted opposite a television screen. Jay Ryan (adult Ben Hanscom) had already shot his part of the dialogue and the effects team did an amazing job making us feel like he was live. I was having so much fun but before I knew it, it was time to go.

Looking back, working with Andy was incredible. He was never afraid to try new things and roll with the organic happenings, even long after we established the master shot. It reminded me a lot of working with Tommy Lee Wallace. Andy is as creative as they come and he fosters a very open, creative environment. During one setup, we watched some of the playback and he even talked me through the edit he had in his head. Nicholas Hamilton (young Henry Bowers) stopped by to hang with Andy while we were working so it was great to finally meet him, too.

Afterwards, Barbara invited me to visit the setup for Eddie’s limousine shots where I got to meet James Ransone (adult Eddie Kaspbrak). They were off on the dolly truck (and support caravan) and I went back to the hotel to start packing.

JC: Having starred in the 1990 miniseries, what did it mean to you to return to the world of Stephen King and this new cinematic interpretation of IT?

BC: The Muschiettis made me feel like family and it was a pleasure getting to know them and becoming their friend. Honestly, I’d have worn a chicken suit had they asked, but it sure meant a hell of a lot to be welcomed into their IT universe.

JC: Over the last year or so you’ve had a chance to get to know Jeremy Ray Taylor, the actor who plays young Ben Hanscom in both IT Chapters 1 & 2.

BD: I reached out privately when he was cast to express my support (for whatever it was worth, as Jarred Blanchard did with Nicholas Hamilton). I said something like, “Congratulations, and don’t let that clown push you around too much”, to which he replied, “I’ll try not to let you down!”.

At first I was terrified at the thought of becoming “classic” anything at 40. And it was a little weird to know that someone was doing something I may have originated, something I had my stamp on. The reality is he originated a different Ben altogether…his own Ben. He and his Losers carried a standalone feature film that is most certainly not a remake and they did it brilliantly. What an achievement.

I was rooting for him since the beginning and I still am! Did you know Jeremy can rap?

The February after IT opened, Marlon Taylor (young Mike Hanlon 1990) and I finally got to meet our counterparts at a convention in Atlanta. Jeremy is as humble as they get and his family is great. We met up again in Germany and most recently (and funnily enough) arriving to the red carpet for the Chapter Two premiere at the same time. So glad we got that on camera.

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Director Chuck Russell Previews His Return to Horror with the ‘Witchboard’ Remake [Interview]

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Witchboard director Chuck Russell

A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors and The Blob director Chuck Russell makes his long-awaited return to horror with Witchboard, a remake of writer/director Kevin S. Tenney’s original 1986 movie that premiered at the Fantasia International Film Festival last week.

Madison Iseman (I Know What You Did Last Summer), Aaron Dominguez (Only Murders in the Building), Antonia Desplat (Shantaram) and Charlie Tahan (Ozark) star in the horror movie. Director Chuck Russell co-wrote the script with Greg McKay.

Iseman stars as Emily, a former addict who works with her fiancé Christian (Dominguez) and a group of their friends to open an organic café, refurbishing an old carriage house in New Orleans’ French Quarter. When Emily finds an antique pendulum board, she unwittingly becomes a pawn in a bewitching battle over her soul. It’s a premise that only loosely resembles the original film; Witchboard forgoes the Ouija board in favor of something far more ancient in the occult realm.

Chuck Russell, speaking with Bloody Disgusting, explained what it was about Witchboard that brought him back to horror after a lengthy hiatus.

The filmmaker tells us, “Well, honestly, I wanted to get back to the horror genre. I’ve been keeping an eye out for that over the course of my career, and I wanted to do something even scarier and more imaginative. I wanted to top my other two horror films because the fans of those original films I did as a young director, Elm Street 3 and The Blob, are still thanking me for it, to my astonishment. It’s a great, entertaining, cathartic genre and one of the most lively genres to sit with an audience.”

“You can really tell if your film is working or not if you’re sitting in a good horror film audience,” he continues. “So I thought Witchboard was a little bit like The Blob and that it’s very pop culture resonant, but there’s room to explore the idea. Honestly, I’ve been interested in pendulum boards. I’ve researched supernatural things over the course of my career, cautiously, honestly, because you bump into some pretty interesting people. But pendulum boards are so visual.”

Aaron Dominguez, Madison Iseman, and Charlie Tahan in Witchboard

“And Hitchcock is one of my inspirations,” Russell continues. “Many directors were inspired by him, but his use of what he called MacGuffins, which were props in movies, is very inspiring to me. I knew what I could do with the camera on a pendulum board and what had never been investigated spiritually. Historically, it’s a real thing. The pope in the 1700s outlawed pendulum boards. That’s why Ouija boards even exist. You’d get burned at the stake if you used the divination tool of a pendulum over a board with mystical symbols on it, and so that gave birth eventually to the Ouija board. But the fact is that we use it for spell casting and divination and contacting spirits, so it left me with a wide palette to use in this film. I thought I could honor the original, but there were ways to explode it and do, hopefully, my most imaginative and scary horror film.”

The director used the 1986 original only as a loose inspiration. Russell explains, “I allowed myself to be inspired by it and honor what Kevin Tenney did, which he really created a subgenre of Ouija board horror in movies. It was the first one. There were three of them, I guess, but there were no witches, which was my first issue. It’s the greatest title ever. Where’s the witch? So, I got to explore Wicca in a way, again with some real legit research and then having imaginative fun with it. I’ve never seen a witch’s cat used in a legit horror film. The familiar was a real thing in the mythology of Wicca, so we got to use a wonderful cat that Madison and I both had an incredible time working with.”

For his witch, Russell enlisted Antonia Desplat as Naga Soth, one of the figures battling over Iseman’s Emily. Because Witchboard includes a more expansive lore with actual witchcraft, Emily’s journey looks drastically different from Tawny Kitaen’s Linda in the 1986 film. While that means a more robust arc for the character, Iseman mostly had eyes for her costar Tatiana, the impressive cat who plays the witch’s familiar in the film.

“I’ve always wanted to work with a cat,” jests star Madison Iseman about what drew her to the role.  “That’s partially a joke. But actually, there’s just so much fun to play with, I think, in the script. It’s just an action-packed, fun story, so there were just a lot of things to play with. Especially looking at different roles and characters; Emily goes through every single wave of emotion humanly possible, which, as an actor, is just fun to dive into. Chuck was obviously a huge draw for me, too. I’ve been a big fan of his for a very long time. So it was an easy yes, just from the beginning, and I’ve always wanted to work with a cat, and Tatiana was the best. I love her. I wish she was here today.”

Witchboard - Fantasia 2024

Russell expands on Iseman’s character, “Her character experiences nightmares, very dangerous hallucinations, a form of body swapping, and time travel. And what’s interesting is there’s never any confusion because of the way she played it, and so you can tell. I don’t want to give away too much with spoilers and things, but we pushed the envelope, and I got to do everything I ever wanted to do in horror in this film.”

“Also, Chuck’s so great with his practical use of effects, and I think that was a huge draw as well, and I think it’s a part of our film that shines,” Iseman adds.

But was working with the cat everything that Iseman hoped it would be?

“Honestly, it was the greatest moment of my life, Iseman gushes. “She was so talented. I’ve never been more impressed by an actress in my life. She could do everything. [Chuck Russell] let me play with Tatiana some. There’s some improv that gets added with the cat, which I think helps, too.

Chuck Russell said in his director’s statement on the film that he considers it to be the third in his trilogy of horror fantasy experiments. While the filmmaker did pour everything he had into Witchboard, the door is always ajar when it comes to more horror.

I put everything I hadn’t tried into this film. I hope that fans of my work will recognize my touch,” he tells us. “But we have dreams; we have deadly hallucinations. We have body swaps; we have literal time travel. It’s fun in that regard, but number one is to scare the hell out of people, and I think we’ve done that, too.

“Look, I’ve been fascinated with pendulum boards and alternate realities my whole career, and it was my first opportunity. Pendulum boards have never been used in the genre, and I can’t believe it because of the history of pendulum boards. But as a cinematic device, as a visual device, it’s excellent. I got to design the board with real mystical symbols and things that I know represent good and evil, and where that board takes us if the audiences respond to the film, and I hope they will; I know it’s out there for you guys, but the sequel is a world we’ll get to go a little further. That’s sure the intention.”

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