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Blogger Thordaddy said...

I like to break this down into "preachers" and practitoners of self-annihilation. The "preachers" are truly damnable individuals worthy of true demonization whereas the practitioners are "us," me, you, our friends and family. So the revolution is two-fold; it is the effort to demonize the demons while simultaneously expunging the demons within. No easy task, of course.

30 May 2014 at 08:01

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Th - Agreed. This is why repentance is absolutely necessary; precisely because we are 'all' complicit - all hypocrites. Secular modernity tries to persuade us that 'therefore' we have no moral authority to demand anything better, therefore must join the revolution. There is no honest and genuine secular route out from this 'bind' which is why there must be a religious revival *first*; or else the anti-Leftist counter-revolution will be poisoned at source.

30 May 2014 at 09:04

Blogger Unknown said...

"To feel nihilism is just part of the human condition - something we may 'sincerely' feel, but which we can choose to repent in a trice."

I think you may be overstating the ease with which one can repent of this sin. I "choose" to reject nihilism with every moment of my waking life, yet the cold certainty of it has never once wavered.

If you've some wisdom regarding how a man may consciously alter his perception of the universe in order to predictably change his conclusions about its nature, I'd encourage you to share it.

30 May 2014 at 14:28

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@MM

This:

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/the-irrefutable-nonsense-of-having.html

Then this:

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/combating-incredibility-of-christianity.html

Then this:

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/five-steps-to-become-christian.html

30 May 2014 at 16:23

Blogger Unknown said...

I've never thought of my beliefs as being a product of conscious choice. No matter how many times I choose to say, "I believe the sky is green," my eyes and brain do not support me. I look up and see that it is blue; I consult my memory and see that it is blue.

I don't necessarily doubt that it is possible to consciously elect to believe things that one formerly thought were false, but I don't know HOW.

Granted: Christianity isn't falsifiable. Granted, too: Christianity is not obviously true. This recognition produces, in me, agnosticism (and nihilism). I recognize the social utility of religion and want to cooperate - I say the right words in public settings and claim to believe in Christ's divinity, but I simply don't. If forced to bet my life or the lives of my wife and children, I'd say it's probably all nonsense.

How does one overcome THAT obstacle?

30 May 2014 at 18:11

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@MM - I suppose you would have to get to the point of recognizing that your beliefs actually *are* a result of choice - many choices, and very peculiar choices.

This is certain, because your beliefs (like mine and all modern people's) are so weird and unspontaneous and unnatural by world historical standards - in the past there wouldn't have been a single person who had these beliefs which you either hold, or have held.

For instance, you used to be an animist - you used to believe that some toys, or trees, or the moon, or the TV - was alive and sentient. Maybe you remember or maybe you don't - but that's how it was. At some point you rejected animism. Same with deity.

But all this is just clearing space. If you had never abandoned the naive animism of children and hunter gatherers you would not be plagued by nihilism. To escape from nihilism once you are in it, reason is helpless - you can only escape from nihilism into an actual religion (although not necessarily into a church: I am currently not in a church).

As so often, and as befits a religion which emerged, grew and throve in modernism; the Mormons understand this:

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/blake-ostler-on-vital-importance-of.html

30 May 2014 at 18:54

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

Note: Since MM asked me for my personal view, it doesn't feel courteous to print other comments from other people offering advice.

Sorry, therefore, to those commenters who have not been printed.

I will just link to Adam Greenwood who has responded on his own blog - since I know that Adam is wiser in these matters than myself:

http://www.jrganymede.com/2014/05/30/help-thou-mine-unbelief/

31 May 2014 at 08:35