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While this very well-written article definitely defeats the right-wing talking point about everything being biased against them, we might need to discuss how your research also implicates Wikipedia in general for having a bias which leans right. Why would that be? Is it our demographic base? Is it that the insistence on reliability and established sources also contains within it an implicit bias towards the status quo, and thus more conservative basis? Food for thought. [[User:Gwenhope|'''<span style="color:darkorchid">Gwen Hope</span>''']] ([[User_talk:Gwenhope|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Gwenhope|contrib]]) 21:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC) |
While this very well-written article definitely defeats the right-wing talking point about everything being biased against them, we might need to discuss how your research also implicates Wikipedia in general for having a bias which leans right. Why would that be? Is it our demographic base? Is it that the insistence on reliability and established sources also contains within it an implicit bias towards the status quo, and thus more conservative basis? Food for thought. [[User:Gwenhope|'''<span style="color:darkorchid">Gwen Hope</span>''']] ([[User_talk:Gwenhope|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Gwenhope|contrib]]) 21:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC) |
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Instead of comparing the total number of deprecated left-leaning and right-leaning sources, I think it would be more meaningful to compare the ''threshold'' of reliability below which sources may be deprecated. The Daily Mail and Breitbart are deprecated with, respectively, reliability scores of 31.17 and 28.60. Has the same threshold been applied when deprecating left-leaning sources? The only deprecated left-leaning source, Occupy Democrats, has a reliability score of 21.59, and a discussion at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard decided ''against'' deprecating AlterNet, which has a reliability score of 23.16. So the threshold for deprecating left-leaning sources appears to be much stricter. [[User:Vitreous humour|Vitreous humour]] ([[User talk:Vitreous humour|talk]]) 23:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC) |
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BTW, for those interested, WP:UPSD will highlight whenever most of these sources are cited. There are some exceptions: Life News, Bill O'Reilly, The Right Scoop, The Daily Signal and The American Spectator, aren't highlighted because it's either not immediately obvious that they are unreliable (you can be partisan without inventing things for example), or lack an WP:RSN consensus. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:44, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Can I tag this article with {{Globalise}}? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- No, but if you want to do the same type of thing with the UK, or France, or Germany, or ... Please just submit an article. Smallbones(smalltalk) 19:53, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- Very nicely written Newslinger, I've been thinking about this very thing a lot recently. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 20:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- Well written and well argued. Well done NS! Levivich harass/hound 20:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for this story. I was arguing with my (more conservative) dad about this earlier, and this is a very cogent explanation. Sincerely, Ovinus (talk) 21:41, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
While this very well-written article definitely defeats the right-wing talking point about everything being biased against them, we might need to discuss how your research also implicates Wikipedia in general for having a bias which leans right. Why would that be? Is it our demographic base? Is it that the insistence on reliability and established sources also contains within it an implicit bias towards the status quo, and thus more conservative basis? Food for thought. Gwen Hope (talk) (contrib) 21:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Instead of comparing the total number of deprecated left-leaning and right-leaning sources, I think it would be more meaningful to compare the threshold of reliability below which sources may be deprecated. The Daily Mail and Breitbart are deprecated with, respectively, reliability scores of 31.17 and 28.60. Has the same threshold been applied when deprecating left-leaning sources? The only deprecated left-leaning source, Occupy Democrats, has a reliability score of 21.59, and a discussion at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard decided against deprecating AlterNet, which has a reliability score of 23.16. So the threshold for deprecating left-leaning sources appears to be much stricter. Vitreous humour (talk) 23:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
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