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The following contains spoilers from the Season 1 finale of NBC‘s Debris.
Debris with its freshman finale not only threw a few more twists at Bryan and Finola, it did so while also unveiling a bit of top-secret casting that surely made fans of series creator J.H. Wyman’s previous sci-fi series, Fringe, geek out.
But first, to recap: George led Bryan and Finola to the location of what he has claimed to be a “mapmaker” piece of Debris. At the vast quarry, they discovered random people who had been led to the site to… stand. And stare blankly. And occasionally burst out in emotion, be it by laughing, crying, what have you. Meanwhile, we saw Anson Ash and another INFLUX agent meet up with Otto, played by — surprise! — Fringe favorite John Noble. And Otto, we and Ash soon gleaned, was up to no good inside the gas station mart, leaving behind several… um… reassembled?… bodies.
Back at the quarry, George explained that the found Debris in fact had the weight of a large building, psychologically tethered as it was to the people gathered around. And were they to sever that connection, the people would each have their memories completely wiped in the process. Finola insisted there could be a way to avoid that calamity, but, with Bryan on an errand, George confided that this piece of Debris was no “mapmaker” but a means of transforming the human mind, so they must sacrifice the strangers. And there was “no time” to argue… because INFLUX was en route.
Because George had called them.
Yep, Dad is bad. And sure enough, Otto and INFLUX got the drop on Finola, before using a cylindrical gizmo to emit a pulse that instantly severed the Debris’ connection to the crowd, collapsing an unprotected Bryan in the process. When Bryan stumbled up to the group, Otto excitedly recognized him as “the third man,” before escaping with the pals and the Debris. In the aftermath, a dazed Bryan explained that he and agents Garcia (who we’ve met) and Ming were hit by Debris in a long-ago event, and Bryan has been taking injections ever since to stave off… something.
In the finale’s final sequences, we saw an ominous “Sandman” figure following George and the INFLUX agents… Maddox using the Debris he traded with Irina for, to facilitate a conversation between wife Julia and their son Dario… and the “ball of light”/telesphere making its way to Black Water Grandfather aka Dakheya, who entered a cave to tell Brill, “It’s time” — to which Sebastian Roche’s character replied, “Let’s begin,” as they both regarded a version of Finola that was held in suspension.
Yeah, it was a lot. (But hey, at least no fragments of Noah’s Ark, right?) Here is what series creator Wyman had to (crypticall) say about casting Noble, the origin of the “other” Finola, and much more.
TVLINE | As you’re coming up with this show, you’ve got the guy, you’ve got the girl, they’re partners, one of them has an addled father, and there’s weekly weirdness going on…. How do you decide that this is different enough from Fringe?
Well, for me it is because it’s dealing with different things. Fringe was a family sort of show, and this isn’t what Debris is about. Debris is its own thing. Every time you have a show that’s going to have things that are weird, whether its a science fiction show now or in the past, you can’t escape comparisons, but the thematic things I was concerned with in the era of Fringe are not what I’m concerned with now. This is something that allows me to dig into stories that are perfect for the people that are fans of what I do and the kind of science fiction that I like to do. The last words [of this finale] were, “Let’s begin,” sp a part of the fun was convincing people that this was a certain kind of show and then have it expand to include elements and aspects that you didn’t really anticipate.
I learned a lot from Fringe. It had elements of storytelling that went well, and I’m not going to deny that they’d be in my quiver, but thematically [Debris is] scratching a different itch for me.
TVLINE | Simply said, what question were you looking to answer with this show? What ideas were you looking to explore?
I’m obsessed right now with cynicism. I find the cynical nature of what’s going in the world just overwhelming. I think that people have sort of lost their belief in wonder and awe and understanding the concept that maybe there’s something out there that we don’t know. That there is a possibility of something incoming in the concept of human connection, and how important it is to sort of be connected as human beings.
I’m really very concerned about this, so that’s what I write about. I mean, I’m always writing that life is valued by the human connections that you make, but this is a little bit more broad, to understand that we’re in an era where amazing things can happen, and we should understand that. It should give us hope.
I think that people have lost so much faith in so many things that I want them to believe in the possibility of great things, and the unknown.
TVLINE | As you can imagine, I’m watching this finale and I have to pause and kind of catch myself and say, “Oh, wow” when Mr. Noble first shows up on-screen. Talk about how that came about.
Well, when I created the character of Otto, I knew that there’s really only one guy — and I know that sounds cliché, but there’s really only one guy — that I really wanted to play him, and that was John. John and I have a very good relationship, and we did so much nice work together. My challenge was to try and find something that would highlight the things that John does so well that I feel are underrated about him. Because this guy’s an actor, man, he’s a deep, deep guy and capable of so much, and I think that was ignored largely during his time on Fringe. I’ve always said that it’s a crime, absolutely criminal, that he didn’t get more accolades for what he did there.
TVLINE | Oh, I watch Fringe‘s “My Very Favorite Thing” scene at least once a year.
That’s so funny, because he told me that he was asked to do [Cameo recordings], and that’s the most requested line. That line is what I used to call my son when he was young, and it made such a big splash. And John just loves that scene.
But I knew that had to give him something that’s going to be really complex. I couldn’t just call him and say, “Hey, I have this thing. Do you want to come and play for a little bit?” I had to give him the details of what was happening and who he was, and how he embodied it and made it come to life in three dimensions is exactly like we talked about, but even better. I’m just so thrilled to be able to have a chance to work with him again. I’m so happy that he’s on board because it’s a great character and where he goes and how he expands is really complex.
TVLINE | Would we be jumping the gun to say that in Otto, you have given a face to the Big Bad of this all?
I would say, one facet, yes. For sure. He’s very, very, very, very, very knowledgeable in those things that nobody else is, and there are reasons for that that we’re going to get into.
TVLINE | Otto at one point puts on goggles with different-colored lenses, and I immediately pulled up pictures of Walter and his Dr. Jacoby glasses.
That’s correct. That’s exactly why we did it.
TVLINE | Now, best I can figure, in the previous episode the Debris rifled through the cases at Orbital in order to build or release the telesphere, and that sphere made a beeline for Dahkeya, and I kind of feel like… that’s all a good thing? Am I on the right track?
Yes, you are. It is a good thing. People have mentioning “the ball of light” since Episode 2. [In the finale] it went to Dahkeya, and the question is why. Who is Dahkeya? The last thing that Maddox said, in Episode 11 when we first met Dakheya was, “As far as we know, Bryan, you’re the first person Debris has sought out.” So, that’s a nudge to like, “Oh, maybe there’s a whole other chapter to this I haven’t seen yet,” which is exactly the case.
TVLINE | Is there anything to read into the fact that Dahkeya is an indigenous person?
Yes. Partly, because there’s a spirituality of belief. There’s a history. You know, it’s interesting because a lot of people have asked about the timeframe [of that sequence] and, like, where is this? Who is [this other Finola]? Is she from another reality? What’s going on? When it comes to the aspects of what we’re getting into, nothing is off the table, which I think is really fascinating.
Time is our construct. To an extraterrestrial, it could mean nothing. So, it could be a matter of seconds or a heartbeat. There’s a lot of story that’s coming out, and that aspect of what’s going on with Brill (played by Sebastian Roche) and who he is…. I directed people to assume that he was just some sort of interesting character that’s on the side, that we don’t really understand his motives—
TVLINE | I just thought he was just an MI6 stooge.
One who is carrying around, you know, versions of himself like some vampire might carry around a coffin to keep alive. [Chuckles] You don’t know what he’s doing, but ultimately, at the end, he’s the person that tells us very clearly, “Let’s begin.” The first season in my mind was always going to be a story that started with a whole bunch of pieces of debris that fell, and that’s going to allow us to tell cool stories every week. And that is one thing, but that’s not the thing.
TVLINE | Otto brought with him a new piece of mythology by referring to Bryan as “the third man.” Are we going to find out exactly what happened to Garcia and Ming?
We certainly are. We met Garcia when Bryan went to see him to get the tools that George needed, and we saw what happened to him physically. We see that his retinas are like tiny, tiny pinpricks, and his face looks like it’s been put back together, with him just devastated. Ming is a Chinese agent that will come into play, and what happens to Bryan obviously is really very important. And then when Otto says,”I know who you are,” he really does. Him saying that means a lot.
TVLINE | One thing some readers have been wondering, on a very practical level, is how different pieces of a spacecraft would exhibit such different powers. Do you have an idea of why that is?
You have to try and understand, like, how we could travel intergalactically. I mean, it’s so above our comprehension that these people are probably thousands and thousands and thousands of years ahead of us from a technological standpoint, so while people may think of the ship as “a piece of hardware” and ask, “How could a shovel do this?,” well, that’s not necessarily true. That’s not necessarily true. The pieces could be all connected. They could be intelligent. There could be anything that they imagine, and I hope that people go along with it and realize, “Man, this stuff is opening wormholes in Manhattan, it’s exposing dimensions, it’s manifesting people’s dead children….” There are a lot of things going on, in just no possible way that we can comprehend.
TVLINE | Did you sense that you might potentially test viewers’ patience with the scenes of Maddox (Norbert Leo Butz) at home?
I’m sure people can find faults in everything, but on the whole, thematically, was that important? Was it crucial? And the answer to that is yes. He’s the only person we ever went home with, and the viewers who are really smart are going to look at that and say, “Well, there’s probably a reason why he’s doing this,” and it’s OK to allow people to be with things and figure it out. It’s also OK to whomp people over the head with things they don’t see coming. Norbert is such an incredible actor, and the way that he and Jennifer [Copping] play those scenes… to me, that’s drama, man.
I love the idea that people weren’t trusting him. I love the idea that the end of the season, you still may not be able to trust him. But this is a love story between he and his wife, and she can’t get over something that happened in their past. He wants to make her OK and make her whole again, and that’s a beautiful thing from where I’m coming from.
TVLINE | I do wonder if it’s going to make him a different person in Season 2, now that he’s had some success on the home front.
Absolutely. But then he has to contend with the other gear changes that are going on around him, and what does that mean? What does this tale mean? Where is this going, with his son and his family reconstituted? Where does he go from there? What’s the next step? How long can this Debris work [with Dario]? Is it just to allow his mother to communicate that she loves her son for the last time, or is it an ongoing thing?
TVLINE | What do you want to say about that entity I’m calling The Sandman, who George saw walking alongside the road? Fantastic visual effect, by the way.
Thanks so much, and that’s a really cool name to call him. Basically, that is meant to allow us to understand that OK, there’s something that George and these guys know about. It’s very, very important when George says at the quarry, “There are things that I know about the debris that you have no idea, that you need to know.” And by seeing that creature, the Particle Man, that Sandman, hopefully you understand that there’s a whole bunch of story to tell that will ultimately be connected to George Jones, and we will come to understand he’s being pursued by him. When he wears that shroud of tinfoil to try and block his signal, it’s a bit of a nod to Captain Hook with the alligator who took his hand. It’s basically the idea that this this is pursuing him in a slow pursuit, and George doesn’t want to be found. Let’s put it that way.
TVLINE | And then the very last image, of this “other” Finola, you surely just want us to be wondering about it, right?
The one in suspension, yes. Absolutely, and that’s a large part of Season 2. How did Brill come upon this Finola? Where’s she from? What does it mean? It will be illuminated in Season 2, 100 percent.
TVLINE | Because when I spoke to Riann, she seemed to suggest that the Time Loop episode wasn’t done telling its story, so I wonder if that’s a possible lead.
She’s correct, but it’s not in the way that I think people would think. I just want people to entertain as many possibilities as they can. Is she a clone? Is she from another reality? Is she something else altogether? And why does Brill have her? And who is Dakheya? I wanted people to come away from this season with a healthy quest for answers and knowledge that will push them say, “Yeah, I can’t wait to see {Season 2], because I’m really starting to understand these characters and getting invested in their futures.
He seems to be the most confident talking of the showrunners of bubble shows. I wonder if he knows something.
It may be that a good number of shows are being rescued from broadcast networks for streaming these days and he feels hopeful his show may be among them.
And then you have to pay. I’ve lost a couple big shows bec of that. It too much $
There has to be a 2nd season…right? Although with all the intelligent shows being cancelled for more reality game crap, who knows?
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I think I am a little lost. I’ve been suspicious of George all along. although I thought possibly Influx had put a camera in his eye or something, rather than him being a part of them. And I keep thinking Finola and Bryan returned to a DIFFERENT world after the time loop, rather than their own.Could that aspect have yet to enter this game?
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Good Act I…I just hope it doesn’t end up being a one act play, especially with a season finale that changes the game like this one did.
“all the intelligent shows being cancelled”
“I think I am a little lost.”
I feel like there’s something here to be said about accessibility. There’s a line between “smart” and “so complicated I can’t follow” and I guess it’s different for everyone… I keep wanting to try this show, but then I look at a recap and I’m just like “Do I even have the energy for *all this*?” I didn’t even LIKE Fringe that much by the end b/c it got so…idk, complicated or something. I don’t even remember b/c I was never motived to rewatch it, even though I DID follow what was happening at the time when it was first on, and I did like a lot of the characters.
(I think I should like it —– like broccoli ?)
I personally dont think every show is accessible to everyone based on their commitment and energy level. That being said, I think there should be a variety of shows for everyone not just shows that have a linear streamlined way of storytelling which is fine but that shouldnt be the norm for everyone.
The theme for Debris seems to be love and its many expressions. Each episode manages to factor in an aspect of the debris triggering a motivation for people to want to connect with someone, or rescue someone, find a loved one, alter hurt into hope. I see the use of the Native American as the spirit guide. He is the embodiment of setting things right in the world. This series couldn’t come at a better time. My fear is that NBC has failed to keep promising good series before and might do so again. Debris needs renewal and support.
Your observations about the emotional motions of the show is astute, but I really hope that Dakheya is more than or something other than a spiritual guide since that would be a very cliche way to portray an Indigenous person. It’s 2021 and Hollywood can do better.
At this point, the conclusion of the first season Debris just seems to be grab bag of almost every successful sci-fi show of the last 15 years. And what it worst is that it also has really old tropes of wayback shows -hence pod people, puppet master, ancient ‘gods’ and ‘spirit guides’ – wow so not the show I thought it would be.
Native peoples are so rarely represented that it’s just good to see somebody on screen doing something positive. And their religious culture is not tethered to traditional costumed iconography as is our Judeo-Christian relics. So for me to see Dakheya “welcome” the glowing ball of light and tell it that it “realized it had made a log journey” got me excited about a possible Ghost Dance. Google that term if you need to. If this is a story that reconects the indigenous people of the earth with their homelands after being displaced by so many for so long, I’m ready for it.
Here’s a question no one has asked about the Maddox storyline — I think it was obvious he wanted to use the debris on Dario. And we knew his wife was considering divorce but he talked her out of it. After the time loop that reset Bryan and Finola, Maddox went to an empty home and found a packet of divorce papers. But now they’re back together? Is the show now giving us storylines in completely different timelines simultaneously?
I’d still like clarification on what reality they are in and if it is important to get back to where they were. The fact Bryan and Finola didn’t recognize they were “back” is odd to me.
The intelligence of the writing and the high performance of acting puts most shows to shame. I am always filled yet gasping for more.
Was it just me or does Otto look a LOT like the late David Bowie? Seriously, look up Lazarus, the resemblance is uncanny!
I almost stop watching after first episode. This show improved every episode worthy of being compare to fringe or x files. This means it will be cancelled.
NBC renew this show, already!
Fitting they have a Fringe guest star… as the show draws so many comparisons to it…
I like Debris and have watched every episode. I hope that it gets renewed.
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That being said, they need to work on their pacing. The episodes could be better edited to have more relationship development. It is fake science, less time could be spent on it and more time on people.
Agreed!
I agree, and based off his previous work and the interviews he’s given, hes going to expand on what he set up from the first season and build from there which should allow for better pacing and focuses on relationships.
I’ve watched every episode but I don’t honestly know if I care if it’s renewed or not. It started out good but to me it’s gone downhill and is all over the place. It seems to have a problem telling an actual storyline. It’s one thing to have questions and wonder about stuff but to be confusing and hard to follow to me is a real issue.
I agree. I really don’t understand a creative team that would purposely frustrate and confuse the viewers of the show. I wonder in the way they constructing the series if they are trying to mimic a video game.
Debris is good, I enjoy it. Fringe, however, is one of the best shows to ever air, and I’m currently re-watching it for the third time, close to wrapping up series three. Putting Noble in Debris just elevated the entire series.
I love sci-fi and am a huge Fringe fan, though I have to admit, with shows like Fringe and Debris, I do find them hard to follow sometimes. I always stick with them, but am pretty confused and often have to rely on summaries here to explain to me what’s going on. I wouldn’t mind if it was a bit more linear. But I’m here for (what I hope is) a further number of seasons.
And I have to admit I SCREAMED at the TV when I saw John Noble!!! (I admit to immediately phoning my poor, sleeping friend half a continent away whom I know would be watching this episode the next day and screaming that John Noble is in this episode!! Now in hind sight, that was a terrible thing to do. I spoiled the surprise, but honestly I was so excited I just had to talk to SOMEONE in the moment. Fortunately, my friend got all excited and didn’t mind at all. Thank you, friend. And thank you, Debris.).
Come on season 2!
I’m more like the type that does out diagrams and such, trying to figure shows like Lost, Fringe, Alias, Breaking Bad, and Better Call Saul in advance. The old Lost forums were a pure hoot when the show was on!
I loved and followed Fringe. I watch a lot of sci-fi. This show seems hard to follow and make connections. It feels like too many different story threads. Will probably keep watching as my husband loves this show, but he can’t explain much to me.
I didnt have any issues following and I more enjoy reading recaps because its a good way to stay engaged and see what others are saying, that being said im all for it slowing down in later seasons especially given season 1 was a setup for different plot points that will be expanded later on.
This episode made me miss Fringe even more than the other episodes. Debris feels very much like Fringe, but without the humor. It could get really interesting, if it get’s a season two.
That is it. This show is lacking humor. They need a wisecracking character or something.
Not sure, if that would be the way do go, but so far it’s seems to be lacking, we’ll fun. It fine, for the short season, but I wish it would be a bit more light hearted. The show seems heavier than necessary.
Like Sleepy Hollow found humor in Crane’s time-shift… it was a nice counterpoint to the supernatural/horror elements. And Tom Mison played the part very well.
I found out a little late that if you watched on Hulu, there was an audio credit cookie on each episode as the credits played and that made the Bryan reveal in the finale make a lot more sense. I just wish those audio files / credits were played on the network broadcast
That was a lot to take in… 8s Bryan really the third man or was it the injections he was taking that protected him from the mind wipe? What about Finola 2? Some many questions, we need season 2!
I was wondering from the time loop episode if we got the same Finola and Bryan back that we had at the start or were they different somehow following the events of that episode. Could she possibly be from the OG Finola before they entered the time loop?
Debris Season 1 just was a goofy mess of incoherent storylines. I really enjoy a mystery and am huge fan of SCI-FI but I haven’t a clue after 13 weeks what is the story this show is trying tell! It is insulting to viewers who generously give their time, interest and willingness to go with a TV series on a tale of fiction and fantasy to just play ‘easter egg and teaser ‘reveal’ as a concept for a season.
I admit to being baffled by some responses, asking the viewer to think and accept some parts of the show are just a part of the characters journey is acceptable to me? Also the various plot lines aren’t that hard to follow imo, you have several factions after controlling an alien tech and beneath that you have people who want to use it for their personal use and the personal piece of the story is about connection, how the debris came here fragmented and vulnerable much like the humanity it’s now in contact with and this is a parallel for Bryan and Finolas relationship. The only big surprises was how far along Influx was with abusing this tech but that’s been seeded for while since we’ve seen them teleporting and they’ve always hinted at George either working willingly or unwilllingly with Influx. The only factions we know little off are the Chinese, the Russians we know a little of and the Brits who appear to have a rogue in their midst, which appears to have access to debris abilities and tech that MI6 isn’t aware of. Some threads we know more of than others but overall it’s about an international struggles to control tech no one understands and the heart of it, Bryan and Finolas partnership is key to stopping it. So there are layers of how deep I think a viewer can go with their viewing but at a surface level it seems simple to me we just don’t have all the answers as yet which is normal since it’s the first season.
What a cool moment, introducing John Noble’s “Otto” (who is the anti-Walter, to me anyway). What an actor…from lovable Walter on “Fringe” to odious “Otto” on Debris. Impressive.
Another shout-out for Scroobius Pip’s “Anson Ash”; I really hate that character so I’ve got to give props to his acting talent there too.
As for the switcheroo with Finola’s dad George, nice touch. Didn’t see it coming.
Fringe still reigns supreme for me but I am warming to this show. I hope they work on giving the two leads a little more background, and lay off the annoyingly loud, over the top atmospheric “music”. It kills the dialogue, half the time.
Debris is one of my favorite shows, not just sci fi shows. With the addition of John Noble playing Otto, I can’t wait for another season!
It has got so confusing that I do not plan to watch any more, even if there is a second season. It started off really well but now it is all over the place and one loses track of what is happening
I don’t think the show get picked up for a second season. Too bad.
I really, really liked Debris and was so happy that it was on. I had finished Fringe and just felt the vibe with this show. Needless to say how upset I was when this was cancelled. And after reading this article today, I’m crying even more.
Why oh why????? Why was this cancelled?