then chose again to be Mister, when qualifying as surgeons.
What? Weird Britishism, to be sure!
As my wife knows, I went through a period of being extremely uncomfortable being called "Dr.". Nowadays I register as "Dr." on forms or whatever, mostly because I think it's funny, although doubtless no one else gets my little joke.
@MT - (In contrast to university educated Physicians) Surgeons used to be Barber Surgeons, tradesmen trained by apprenticeship - and when they became prestigious in the 1800s they retained this. Mister was, in those days, a title restricted to respectable folk.
This became an inverted snobbery; and couple of generations ago surgeons would refuse to do doctorates such as the MD or PhD - the highest surgical degree (by thesis, equivalent in status to a doctorate) would therefore be a Master of Surgery
Becausse they too are surgeons, British dentists were/ are also Mister, and their higher degrees were also called Master.
@Anon - You need to use a name or pseudonym to comment on this blog.
There was something of a hoo-hah when a newspaper, following the AP style guide, referring to a woman as "Jane Doe, PhD", rather than "Dr. Jane Doe" (reserved for medical doctors). That was the story I was looking for when I found the above two...
21 March 2019 at 16:25
dearieme said...
Is a newspaper really prepared to take on the task of distinguishing a Ms Doe who has a Ph.D. from one who has a D.Phil., a D.Sc., ...?
Isn't your satire aimed the wrong way? I think you are alluding to some item in The News about a bureaucratic directive mandating that you acknowledge certain people's success at changing their sex, and you respond by comparing it to the perennial human fascination with titles and forms of address. It's as though you were driven by revulsion at some hideous tattoo to write an amusing post about the vanity of donning clothes and cutting our hair.
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I may have been born a Mister but from late teens into my early twenties I underwent a profound and transformative experience; during which I transitioned to becoming Dr Charlton.
Doctor Just-Is my title, my identity is bound-up in it - has been for decades...
So don't mis-title me: I Am a Doctor, I am Not a Mister.
Indeed, I never truly was a Mister, and this ought to be reflected in the record.
Before I was 'officially' recognised as a Doctor, as far back as infant school; I was still a doctor inside. I used to tell people I was going to be a doctor - my family knew, my teachers knew.
It may not have been publicly accepted, but that was my real identity. 'Mister' never expressed or reflected the truth of my nature.
Ultimately, what difference does an examination make, a degree, a piece of paper? - I am and always have been truly a Doctor - and absolutely require to be addressed as such at all times; and to have the records adjusted to demonstrate the fact.
Or Else...
Anyone who - despite all this - calls me Mister is being calculatedly denigrating, it is an act of hatred of my chosen and earned Being.
An act of hatred and - thanks to the European Union - a Hate Crime.
(My bank, with a pretence of casual incompetence masking genocidal loathing, still prints 'Mr' on statements and even my card, which I have to show to people. How shocked will they be when they open the legal papers being currently prepared?... Banks are very rich - soon, so shall I be.)
Of course, I may choose not to remain Doctor, but at some point to revert to Mister - or maybe something else - Professor, Reverend, Lord - whatever. Maybe no title at all. This is my right, and should not elicit surprise.
I have known several friends and colleagues who began as Mister, became Doctor and then chose again to be Mister, when qualifying as surgeons.
Why not? Identity is fixed and inborn; and it also changes unpredictably and open-endedly.
Why is that so difficult for people to understand?
"Don't 'Mister' me! My identity is Doctor..."
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then chose again to be Mister, when qualifying as surgeons.
What? Weird Britishism, to be sure!
As my wife knows, I went through a period of being extremely uncomfortable being called "Dr.". Nowadays I register as "Dr." on forms or whatever, mostly because I think it's funny, although doubtless no one else gets my little joke.
21 March 2019 at 10:58
Nicely done!
21 March 2019 at 12:37
I was born a Master and later transitioned to Mister, so I know how you feel.
21 March 2019 at 12:38
But do you insist on using loos for "gentlemen"?
21 March 2019 at 13:29
@MT - (In contrast to university educated Physicians) Surgeons used to be Barber Surgeons, tradesmen trained by apprenticeship - and when they became prestigious in the 1800s they retained this. Mister was, in those days, a title restricted to respectable folk.
This became an inverted snobbery; and couple of generations ago surgeons would refuse to do doctorates such as the MD or PhD - the highest surgical degree (by thesis, equivalent in status to a doctorate) would therefore be a Master of Surgery
Becausse they too are surgeons, British dentists were/ are also Mister, and their higher degrees were also called Master.
@Anon - You need to use a name or pseudonym to comment on this blog.
21 March 2019 at 14:23
You jest, but...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6133325/Academic-slams-Qantas-flight-attendant-calls-Miss-instead-Doctor.html
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/06/15/doctor-internet-mansplain_a_23460141/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer_us=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_cs=H7Jzl5YO923maWvm8rNy3A
There was something of a hoo-hah when a newspaper, following the AP style guide, referring to a woman as "Jane Doe, PhD", rather than "Dr. Jane Doe" (reserved for medical doctors). That was the story I was looking for when I found the above two...
21 March 2019 at 16:25
Is a newspaper really prepared to take on the task of distinguishing a Ms Doe who has a Ph.D. from one who has a D.Phil., a D.Sc., ...?
21 March 2019 at 18:44
Isn't your satire aimed the wrong way? I think you are alluding to some item in The News about a bureaucratic directive mandating that you acknowledge certain people's success at changing their sex, and you respond by comparing it to the perennial human fascination with titles and forms of address. It's as though you were driven by revulsion at some hideous tattoo to write an amusing post about the vanity of donning clothes and cutting our hair.
21 March 2019 at 22:51
I am undefined at best, and defined poorly at worst by what someone calls me. (As I am fond of saying, "Just don't call me late for dinner.")
And thanks for the amusement Doctor. (You are THE DOCTOR, right?)
22 March 2019 at 13:19
Almost. He’s The Good Doctor.
25 March 2019 at 01:27