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Anonymous Santoculto said...

Objective and true empathy is honesty. Autistic people are often very honest. The idea of objective empathy does not seem to fit with '' emphatizers ''. I like the way in which Schopenhauer describes women. Human nature derives from the animal nature, which is sociopathic in its root. Compete, '' cooperate '' and procreate.

17 November 2014 at 13:42

Anonymous Adam G. said...

E-S variations are this not-necessarily correlated with cognitive abilities
[thus, not this, and lose the dash]
Put simply, Empathizers gain enhanced gratification from Empathizing behaviour, while Systemizers gain enhanced gratification from Systemizing behaviour.
[get rid of the Put simply. With ‘in sum’ starting the prior sentence, it sounds repetitive, like throat clearing]

Many pre-adolescent boys, in particular, have periodic ‘crazes’ on various subjects (aircraft, trains, a type of book, a type of construction model, a particular sport)
[My oldest daughter is by far the nerdiest and most ‘intellectual’ of my children, and this describes her to a T. First it was ancient Egypt, then she added geology, and now Star Wars.]

Similarly, one cannot be fascinated by social relationships such as to spend most of one’s time and energy on that matter, and at the same time fascinated by learning about abstract facts and figures and systems so as to spent most of one’s time and energy on that matter as well.

[is this why social science and utopian schemes usually suck? The systematizers, the great theorists, don’t actually understand people very well, or at least mostly can’t be bothered to]

17 November 2014 at 14:47

Anonymous josh said...

I haven't finished reading this yet, but in general, I have found that your books would benefit from examples within the text. Near the beginning you refer to situations in which people with equal cognitive abilities would choose to apply E or S respectively depending on their personality type. Mind mind is immediately prompted to hear "For example...", but it does not come. Perhaps your intended audience is in the psychology field, but I still think it would be helpful. This trick is what, for example, makes Edward Feser so readable despite a notoriously un-reader-friendly discipline.

18 November 2014 at 02:11

Anonymous Atavisionary said...

A good article. I am afraid I have to disagree with your premise, unfortunately. In fact, I think the opposite is true in that systematizing is in fact older. I suspect systematizing has its roots in navigation and cause and effect (physics/ physical) understanding of running about the natural world hunting for food and other things. For example, if you jump from here how high will you get, how long will it take to hit the ground etc. This need for this type of understanding would have certainly predated organisms living in social groups (or even maternal investment in offspring after birth) and would be directly ancestral to modern systematizing, which like you said would be impacted and modified by more recent events in the human lineage.

I think this because, as cohen says in his papers, there seems to be a relation between fetal testosterone exposure an systematizing. More test gets you more sys. Well, rats/mice have similar types of sex differentiation. Male rats being better at mazes for example. Here is an excerpt from a book I am writing on sex differences in cognition which also cites cohen a lot:

"In rats, testosterone treatment of females improves spatial ability. In addition, castrating male rats have lowered visiospacial ability and working memory. Mice genetically engineered to have two X chromosomes and an SRY transgene located on an autosome were found to perform better in maze based tasks requiring spatial skills; directly implicating this gene in improving such skill." In short, if sex differences reminiscent of the E-S spectrum are present in rats, then obviously this trait evolved much earlier. The dimorphism must have been present in the last common ancestor of rodents and primates, and probably older than that even.



The citations for the above paragraph are:

Behav Brain Res. 1993 Feb 26;53(1-2):1-10.
Neonatal exogenous testosterone modifies sex difference in radial arm and Morris water maze performance in prepubescent and adult rats.

Aubele T, Kaufman R, Montalmant F, Kritzer MF. Effects of
gonadectomy and hormone placement on a spontaneous novel


The Role of the Y Chromosome in Brain Function
Eleni Kopsida1,2, Evangelia Stergiakouli2, Phoebe M. Lynn1,2, Lawrence S. Wilkinson1,2,
and William Davies*,1,2
1Henry Wellcome Building, School of Medicine, Heath Park Site, Cardiff University, UK
2MRC Centre

18 November 2014 at 02:14

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

Thanks to you all for the comments. All useful...

Bruce

18 November 2014 at 07:14