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Blogger Adil said...

I heard a Muslim man once say "the cat is aware of the existence of God, the dog think that humans are God"!

I think he had a point. Perhaps this is why western cities crawl with strolling dog owners.

23 May 2019 at 17:14

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Eric - The version I heard was something like:

A dog thinks: The man provides me with food and shelter - he must be a god.

A cat thinks: The man provides me with food and shelter - I must be a god.

23 May 2019 at 18:08

Blogger Francis Berger said...

I like the cat/lemming metaphor you used here very much. Once in a while, I feel a faint urge to "fight the power" (it's the Hungarian in me - we are a notoriously reactionary and rebellious bunch), but I know how pointless and counterproductive it would be, for the exact reasons you mention in this post.

Much of what we see in the media, politics, education, and increasingly at work/HR departments is purposefully manipulative - meant to provoke, instigate, and agitate.

If we give into these temptation and react, we cease being subjects and become objects. In other words, we cease thinking and acting from our true selves and are thought and acted upon by others.

You are completely correct in your assessment, in my humble opinion.

23 May 2019 at 18:13

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Francis - I *try* (not always successfully) to infer what They are trying to get me to do... Currently, I think They want pro-Brexit people 1. pateintly, repeatedly to rely on voting to get what they want; and 2. to organise so that they can be located, fought (or corrupted) and destroyed. What they most fear is a mass of individuals disengaging and each forming a single-person 'cell' of flexible, indomitable resistance.

23 May 2019 at 18:28

Blogger Michael Dyer said...

There’s a fascinating book called “Natural Born Heroes” which features the Cretan resistance to German invasion during the Second World War. What is fascinating is the independent nature of the resistance and the degree to which Cretans embarrassed some of the most elite German military units. Without being told the Cretans instinctively fought tooth and nail, unlike nearly every other country invaded by the Germans. No or little formal organization, everyone from monks to elderly men saw German paratroopers and just started shooting and stabbing them. What was supposed to be a walk over a frightened and cowed population and a few British units in transit with overwhelming coordinated force became an extremely hard bitten struggle. The Germans of course prevailed through sheer quantity eventually but it was internally considered a failure.it cost them time, men, and material they hadn’t planned on and Crete tied up more soldiers than it was ever supposed to for the duration,

The author didn’t emphasize the point, being secular, but I saw the hand of faith in the people as well. Priest, monks, and bishops were not ashamed to fight and to encourage their parishioners to do so. Interestingly enough, not every Greek locale was like this, Crete in particular was special.

I think it is possible to “organize” but emphatically NOT as the world system organizes. It is a paradox, an organization of free men. But the men have to be personally, internally free first. It is more like each man following God and then God coordinates you all.

24 May 2019 at 02:41

Anonymous Dave said...

"Quiet, anonymous, and often complicitous, lawbreaking and disobedience may well be the historically preferred mode of political action for peasant and subaltern classes, for whom open defiance is too dangerous... One need not have an actual conspiracy to achieve the practical effects of a conspiracy. More regimes have been brought, piecemeal, to their knees by what was once called “Irish Democracy" -- the silent, dogged resistance, withdrawal, and truculence of millions of ordinary people -- than by revolutionary vanguards or rioting mobs." -James Scott

I predict that all problems the West faces will be addressed by passing laws that are widely ignored, and by printing more money. When that money's value drops to zero, all "democratic" governments will dissolve in rapid succession, and power will disperse into the hands of local warlords. To hold and expand their territories, these warlords will need something more compelling than modern progressive liberalism to motivate their troops, and they'll find it on the alt-right. They will call the new ideology "Christianity" and everything else "Satan-worship" or "Jew-"something.

24 May 2019 at 05:58

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Michael - In this is is important to recognise a distinction between formal institutional organisation (Gesselschaft) and the affective alliance based on 'love' (Gemeinschaft)- examples of which are the family, and (albeit temporarily) strong friendship groups such as The Inklings.

But we need to be careful not to take military examples as primary - the primary examples ought to be spiritual, not physical. The necessity is for spiritual autonomy - which is possible even for slaves and prisoners.

24 May 2019 at 06:51

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Dave - I don't think that will happen - or if it does it will not be stable, will be a short pahse, and will collapse further. I used to think something similar, when I wrote Thought Prison in 2010-11; but now I believe that modern people have changed, such that no kind of reversion is possible. Moderns think differently, have a different consciousness - making an agrarian society impossible to sustain (because people won't want it, and won't be able to run it). It is possible that about 6 billion people will die (many by suicide) over a few decades, and hunter gatherer conditions re-emerge. But whatever happens, it will be unprecedented - not a reversion.

24 May 2019 at 06:58

Blogger Andrew said...

A 6 billion person die off in a few decades cannot be what God intends for His Creation. Ergo, He won't let it happen. If a restart were necessary He would take it into His own hands (ie. the Flood). If a restart were imminent, He would warn us through His prophets (ie. Noah).

-Andrew E.

24 May 2019 at 20:22

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

Half the population of England died in a generation in the late 14th century from the Black Death - an age of faith.

24 May 2019 at 20:31

Anonymous Karl said...

eligion protects from manipulation. Beyond that, I don't see what can be done. Frankly, most people cannot think for themselves. The Bible sometimes uses sheep as a metaphor for men. I believe this is an accurate metaphor. Most people are sheep and need to be led - by men of faith.

What do mean that we should be individuals whose behaviour cannot be predicted? Generally, it is clear what a Christian should do in a given situation, what would be the right thing to do. Thus the behaviour of a Christian can (usually) be predicted. What is wrong with that?

I'm not sure what you mean that we should not believe what we are told. There is a commandment not to bear false witness. Therefore I am usally inclined to believe what I am told by a Christian (if he tells me something that he has personally observed). For the same reason I am usually disinclined to be believe a non-Christian and generally assume that he'll tell me anything to manipulate me.

28 May 2019 at 20:59

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Karl - Too many questions! You'll need to read elsewhere in this blog - do word searches to find what interests you.

28 May 2019 at 21:21