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Blogger Crosbie said...

Does '1984' fit into this picture? It's a particularly inscrutable work. Smith declares to O'Brien "I hate goodness/I hate purity/I want everything corrupt". Smith is an anti-hero, surely. Is Orwell trying to tell us there are no heroes and no hope? Yet in the 'golden country' there are signs of hope, and even what appears to be precognition, which clashes with the otherwise closed world of the story. And why must Smith believe before he dies? That too hints at the primacy of the spiritual, but is it a threat, an exploration, or a warning?

Was Orwell trying to be good, and did he succeed? Had he given up?

27 January 2023 at 14:22

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@C - 1984 was well intentioned within Orwell's limitations. But the effect is despair inducing, and tends to push the left-totalitarian 'sexual liberation' agenda in a way that CS Lewis elucidated in his review:

https://apilgriminnarnia.com/2015/08/24/orwellthoughts/

27 January 2023 at 14:33

Blogger sam said...

One of the most successful dystopian films of recent years is the Hunger Games. When you look at in terms of society and not making a spectacle of child gladiators, you see a racially segregated archeo-futurist nation with a very strict divide between the futurist "haves" and the archeo "have nots". Genetic engineering is used to produce monsters for a TV reality show whilst rural people starve.
If not for the bludgeoning evil of the child gladiators, more people might have looked seriously at the actual dystopia portrayed. I've heard it described as one of the most right wing teen films and can pretty much see how people have arrived at that conclusion.
The books keep the same divides and messages, but with a greater and more realistic emphasis on all the mental illnesses.

Sam C

29 January 2023 at 13:05

Blogger David Earle said...

Speaking of AI, I am noticing a lot of talk about AI in the mainstream and started seeing ads for AI applications recently.

There are a lot of concerns spoken about that it could replace jobs for drivers, artists and programmers, as well as disrupt education (since it can generate essays on the fly), to list a few.

There are some arguments for why this could be a good or bad thing.

But as I see it, put simply it is just introducing more chaos to the System with this being unleashed, which of course makes sense given the Sorathic era we are in.

The effects of AI will certainly be unpredictable, but I suspect it will lead to further human suffering, one way or another, particularly to those that aren't anchored in reality.

30 January 2023 at 01:41

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@David

I've written a few posts about AI in the past.

https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/search?q=artificial+intelligence

My best guess is that the deep impulse behind this AI push, is the opposite of what people usually think. AI is supposed to be about getting machines to 'think like humans'. This is not just impossible, but is not even being attempted by AI designers.

The reality is that the presence (and increasing prevalence) of AI entrains humans to think like machines. This machine-thinking becomes more or less mandatory, if humans are to interact successfully with AI - to make it do what we want.

And insofar as humans think like machines, we are Not spiritual beings and exclude the spirit; and become wholly subject to the things of this world.

So, this is why AI is a big push.

However, it is too late for AI actually to achieve this goal, because the capability of Western Civilization to accomplish anything positive is collapsing (self-destructing) so fast that it can be seen on a month by month basis.

30 January 2023 at 07:11

Anonymous Fen Tiger said...

I know it's not saying much - and 2009 seems far longer ago than it should: but Daybreakers is a vampire dystopia with strongly positive themes.

4 March 2023 at 14:13