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Blogger Freddy Martini said...

A little over 10 years ago, I read Harold Bloom’s book, “The American Religion.” He has extensive commentary on Mormons within that book. It began my fascination with the LDS and how unique it was. The main thing I took away was the idea of a more Divine Man and a more Human God. I think the classical Christian view - perhaps Aristotelian - of an Omnipresent, Omniscient, and Omnipotent being causes lots of problems for many people, among them the Problem of Evil. I think the Mormons are on to something in this idea. Furthermore, the Mormon idea is not as Spiritually remote as some more traditional Christian ideas, as it focuses more on the Here and Now with Family and Fertility being a high value, and not merely a remote idea, but something very much expected to thrive in the physical realm.

13 August 2015 at 14:12

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@FM - Well, I agree! I read Bloom's book before studying Mormonism, and while it is riddled with errors and misunderstandings, it gets the general picture just about right - and encouraged me to find out more. Further reflections at

http://theoreticalmormon.blogspot.co.uk/

13 August 2015 at 14:16

Blogger ted said...

I love how you distilled these metaphysical truths. It actually makes me want to get married now :).

13 August 2015 at 15:08

Blogger ted said...

One thought that came to me around the notion of more divine Man and a more human God, is that this can get distorted around the utopian impulse that infects the secular left. Many ideological movements were around the idea that we are God, and it is up to us to make change on earth. This is a fine line, where applied love can be justified on many fronts.

13 August 2015 at 15:13

Blogger Desert Rat said...

When you think about it all there is to work with here is God's plan. The great test is to see how well we can come to understand it and live in conformity with the whole of it. This is an impossible task but it is certainly possible to conform broadly to most of the plan while relying on the atonement of Jesus to cover our failures. People err in getting hung up on some aspect or set of principles and push those to a position of primacy over all others. In other words they take things out of context, give these an unjustified emphasis and usually wind up rejecting or even opposing other aspects of the plan. The whole thing with justification by faith alone or predestination or "sola scriptura" are examples, I think, of taking a part and making it greater than the whole.

The breakdown of love and relationship here is really very good. It especially resolves some puzzlement I had with eastern religion as it was obvious to me that many of the saints from that tradition are truly righteous, good and saintly people but seem to be somehow "incomplete". The answer is they do love but they reject attachment. This explains the so-called "fatalism" found in so much of eastern religion. For them all the problems of mortal life will resolve given enough time. I never did find the idea of spending thousands of lifetimes in pursuit of ultimate (and solitary) bliss all that attractive.

13 August 2015 at 17:23

Blogger Nathaniel said...

Understanding the Mormon ideas of love's fundamental role, our relationship to our Heavenly Father, and our purpose in becoming more Christ-like and closer to our Father - it appears these ideas exist and have existed in Christianity everywhere. At times they have (unfortunately) become subordinate to other ideas, but fortunately the CJCLDS has enthroned them in their rightful place.

14 August 2015 at 14:27