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Anonymous ajb said...

Or perhaps evolution made us to be largely happy strivers - and dysphoria indicates we are doing something for which we weren't designed or which isn't evolutionarily optimal (such as working long hours in an office, eating junk food, and so on). The implied solution here would be to restore things to closer to what we are designed for.

29 July 2012 at 00:49

Anonymous dearieme said...

Music can help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRpaxsbUE-8

29 July 2012 at 00:52

Anonymous dearieme said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7CV7FkiuSs&feature=related

29 July 2012 at 01:02

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@ajb - Most anthropologists think that hunter gatherers are the happiest and most contented societies, on the whole. From that perspective, the invention of agriculture was the greatest disaster.

This was a major focus of my pre-conversion writings from circa 1998-2007, e.g.

http://www.hedweb.com/bgcharlton/animism.html -

29 July 2012 at 06:37

Anonymous ajb said...

For some markers of well-being, I suppose the invention of agriculture is the anthropological-evolutionary equivalent to leaving the garden.

29 July 2012 at 16:35

Anonymous Andrew said...

Nature forces man to "leave the garden" - because man exists. It is like opening Pandora's Box. The recent nuclear race stands as a prime example, we need to have what technology others have in order to protect our existence, even if it makes that existence uncomfortable. There is forever a greater threat and striving is endless. We defeated the lion to fight the man to overcome nature to try and escape the earth before we destroy ourselves by destroying nature. We overcome nature - can we overcome ourselves? Perhaps that is something where religion is absolutely necessary once again, not to help guide us in our struggle against ourselves to prevent our unintentional suicide.

29 July 2012 at 20:47

Anonymous Proph said...

"The neglected idea is that dysphoria is intrinsic to the human condition - it tells us something about the nature of reality. The state of sin as basic, universal, unavoidable. In the past, it seems, almost everyone believed this was the bottom-line."

Bingo. It is simply, inescapably, unavoidably *right* and *good* and *just* that man should be unhappy, having deliberately severed himself from the source of all joy -- and renewing that state of separation with every sin.

30 July 2012 at 14:42