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Blogger a_probst said...

Have you read any of the works of the economists Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams? If so, do you find them dishonest?

27 December 2018 at 09:31

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@ap - I have read a great deal of Thomas Sowell (at least twelve books, including his autobiography) but just a few essays by Walter Williams. I like Sowell, and he is mostly honest; but has the usual blindspot I described - believing that all humans are essentially the same - and that is sufficient to invalidate most of what he says.

27 December 2018 at 10:44

Blogger Nathaniel said...

Economics seems to be a place for above average intelligent people, but not especially smart, to create careers for themselves and write papers about simplified theories projecting nonsense backwards.

Of course they will say immigration, etc. is great because it's all made up nonsense anyway and they're just doing it for status and to ingratiate themselves with an elite/ruling class.

27 December 2018 at 16:07

Blogger Tobias said...

Millions of people moving to Europe from Africa and the Middle East with their vast cultural and religious differences, will leave those differences at the border, and will meld seamlessly into European society, and cause no problems at all.

Repeat on your knees one hundred times before you go to bed each night until you believe it.

Tobias

28 December 2018 at 23:02

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Tob - Another thought experiment I found convincing. Economists implicitly believe that the nature of one's neighbours make no significant difference to life. Experience tells us the opposite. The economic reality is 'location/ location/ location'. Immigration reduces to 'new neighbours' on a vast scale - therefore economics is wrong.

Or, imagine living in a village of five thousand. Fifty new people (1% - approx. the rate of UK immigration for many years) arrive each year, with the implicit requirement that they must-be levelled-up to the standard of living of of the prior residents.

Does it make any difference who these new arrivals are? As a reductio; they might on the one hand be a cohesive criminal gang who to aim to live by despoiling the prior residents, killing, raping, enslaving and robbing them. Or they might be smart and hardworking people who want to sustain and assist the community they have come among. Let's also add that these characteristics are mostly heritable (either/ both because of genetics and cultural inertia) - and so will persist over many generations.

Economists say that it makes no difference At All to which of these groups (exploiters or assisters) the fifty extra people per year belong. Indeed economics denies (in contradiction of all evidence and experience) that such differences exist - except in a superficial and temporary way. Ergo economics is false.

29 December 2018 at 06:56

Blogger a_probst said...

@Dr Charleton:
"...has the usual blindspot I described - believing that all humans are essentially the same..."

Yes, I thought you'd say something along those lines. The anti-Marxists and the Marxists have the same affliction (and Marx himself was Exhibit A!).

I don't have a copy of the relevant book by the historian John Lukacs at hand (Historical Consciousness, I think) but he said words to the effect that economic 'laws' have little predictable effect on human actions. He also said elsewhere that what men do to ideas is of more consequence than what ideas do to men.

Come to think of it, historians, at least those who aren't themselves constrained by Procrustean ideologies, can make better gadflies than the philosophers because they will often remind us of the actual circumstances of the origin of a word, an idea, a movement, an institution. Jacques Barzun in From Dawn To Decadence:

"Logic as an antidote to loose inference was helpful to the Middle Ages by the use of international language, not Latin, but Medieval Latin, a medium of exact expression, simplified in syntax and enriched in vocabulary. The modern tongues owe to it the subject-verb-predicate form of sentence and most of the abstract terms used in science, philosophy, government, business, and daily intercourse."

And: "That Galileo, Kepler, Bacon, [Joachim] Jung, Pascal, and Descartes--all men of the [17th Century]--are better known than their elders in science is the kind of wrong that happens repeatedly in all fields of culture. The pioneers, the first who struggle out of the established systems and and who form new and useful conceptions, appear only half right, incomplete; and their names stay remote. But they are perhaps more to be cherished than those who came after, who clear off the debris and offer a neater, more full-blown view."

30 December 2018 at 01:02

Blogger pyrrhus said...

The bottom line is, and always has been, that the quality of your country reflects the quality of the people living there...So if you import Africa or Central America into your country, that's what you will get....

30 December 2018 at 02:50