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Blogger Chiu ChunLing said...

As excellent and important as it is to note that love is greater than worship, it is marred by the assertion that there is any relationship at all between them.

To worship is fundamentally to recognize as worthy (or deserving) of a particular response. There is fearful worship of that which is worthy of fear, for instance, which forms a continuum with respectful worship of that which is worthy of respect, but has nothing to do with loving worship of that which is worthy of love.

A thing may be considered "worthy" of a response because prudent, sensible consideration of the consequences of such a response indicates that it serves our rational self interest.

But love has nothing to do with whether the beloved is worthy of it. However, that cuts both ways, you may love someone even if loving them is the prudent, sensible thing to do in service to your own self interests. It is just rare for that to be the case.

Our love for God, however profound and personal, should never obscure our humble recognition that we will always gain far more from our relationship with God than God can gain from a relationship with us. It is far better to love God than to worship Him, but it is not like we face an actual choice between love and worship of God.

29 April 2018 at 22:13

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@CCL - Arkle's point concerns how most people have probably understood 'worship' and that it is incompatible with God's hope that we become 'friends'.

30 April 2018 at 07:12

Blogger TheDoctorofOdoIsland said...

Indeed, the artificial definition of worship most of the monotheistic religions have used never accurately reflected human experience. Worship (honor, reverence, adoration) is not something most people do intentionally because they'd arrived at some conclusion about who or what deserves their attention. Really it's something we all do without thinking about it. We worship people, places, ideas, books, flags, phones, money, all sorts of 'idols'. Every man has his god. Our Father knew this of course; the same set of commandments that tells us to have no other gods before Him also tells us to worship our parents, as any healthy child does. There's no such thing as a monotheist or an atheist when you get right down to it- we're all polytheists at heart.

- Carter Craft

1 May 2018 at 05:57

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Carter - Arkle is also saying that if we are to become what God wishes us to become, there will come a time when we cease to worship him as we cease to worship our parents. But this cessation of worship is a transition (necessary, but as a transition) to loving God as a friend - from a position of qualitative (although not quantitative) parity - just as we would hope to love our parents as 'friends', by choice, from a parity (although not equality - because they will always be our parents) when we become adults ourselves.

Arkle has to use the word 'friend' for this relationship, but is is a rather feeble word in general modern usage; we need to recall and consider the high examples of such friendship... for example between adult siblings.

1 May 2018 at 06:45