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Blogger Michael Dyer said...

The Bible uses positive visions all the time, positive inducements, it tries to show the beauty and attractiveness of the truth. Many great evangelists have as well.

You know what's fun though? Just verbally beating on people, yelling at them, especially if they're already in the pews and you know they won't fight back.

Of course there's a time for harsh truth and judgement. Life is serious business and some things have to be strenuously opposed and condemned. But a stick with no carrot is pretty unbalanced as an approach for human beings.

19 June 2018 at 14:44

Blogger Chiu ChunLing said...

Fundamentally, it is futile to preach repentance to those who have no practical experience of being called to account for their sins. One must do it mainly for the good of one's own soul (because to preach repentance regardless of the conversion of others is a necessary good work in itself) rather than in the false hope that it will sway anyone who didn't yearn to hear it.

I say 'yearn', but I don't mean a merely secret longing such as nearly every child of God must feel, but a desire which cannot be hidden from the world.

19 June 2018 at 16:59

Blogger Lucinda said...

My own experience is that sin is so blinding that I could't get much of anywhere about positive desires until I was free enough from the sin.

I recently read a bit from CSL's Weight of Glory, and I think it makes sense when he talks about the schooling, the need to learn the basics before the appreciation and desire for the beautiful can have meaning. The need to learn the Greek language before getting to appreciate Greek poetry. Discipline is often the only way to begin the possibility of positive desire.

20 June 2018 at 01:57

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Lucinda - But it is the positive desire which beckins us onward. I think it is telling that Mormon mission aries (apparently) begin with the Plan of Salvation - which includes a quite specific vision of where things are going, and why. But this is distinctive to Mormonism - and for many Christians, what happens after death in a positive sense - what we actually *do* - is on the one hand extremely vague, and on the other hand seldom discussed, or much thought about - and then with a kind of exaggerated caution (which can be seen in CS Lewis's 'disclaimers' with which he feels it necessary to surround The Great Divorce). Yet I think the Fourth Gospel is trying to explain to us, again and again, what Life Everlasting is going to be like (or could be like). Of course it can only be *known* then, but many 'analogies/ symbols/ metaphors are deployed to give us a relatively exact, sufficiently exact, idea of it.

20 June 2018 at 06:54