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Blogger David Balfour said...

Excellent piece Bruce! I find the fly trap analogy, in particular, very effective. I had never really heard of metaphysics until reading your blog but your posts have convinced me that a rigid set of assumptions can trap and enslave ones mentality. I would like to have thought that once the route out of the bottom of the bottle had been identified there would be a sudden and enthusiastic stampede for the exist. Alas, most casual-militants (an oxymoron if ever there was one,but that is how they behave in turns - idealist hippy one moment, fierce stalwart defender of the status-quo the next) that I know, who are atheists, who love a bit of Richard Dawkins and his apparent success of having sledge-hammered religious ideas into ridiculable irrelevence; well they dont believe in metaphysics when you tell them and get angry and defensive, and continue to cling at the top of the bottle where the cork is, oblivious to the deadly water trough below (they never even look down to see it). I find this blinkered response maddening and saddening but doubtless you must come across this all the time. I can almost understand this ostrich behaviour from an amateur who has been taken in from a few books but an expert? Why arent university department professors converting in droves? And I dont mean to Christianity, although that would be good, I just mean converting to recognising that assumptions are real and make all the difference to everything - and they are NOT necessarily fixed according to the tenets of modern evolutionary biology! I suppose that once you have made your career out of professional biology it is very hard to overcome lure of status, acceptance by peers, etc. and also, to admit that one was fundamentally wrong about something so fundamental, well, I dont know many intellectuals who do that.

21 December 2017 at 08:38

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@David - Thanks for the comment.

What you describe for casual-militants makes clear that there really are those who will, knowingly and deliberately, reject salvation because they don't want it.

21 December 2017 at 10:42

Blogger David Balfour said...

I had meant to ask you, in relation to this post, have you known any or many professional biologists or specifically evolutionary ones, to change their minds on this issue and embrace a religious perspective? I know that there are many historical examples of religious scientists but nowadays they seem an increasing rarity. I would have thought your personal example must have caused many of your serious thinking and honest colleagues to pause for thought. It certainly had a remarkable effect on me, as you know. The only way to get out of it would seem to play ostrich with your head in the sand and I assume that the hubris of the scientific community allows many professional scientists to do just that. I would love to know that there have been examples of others who have been able to re-examine their metaphysics and see the world with fresh eyes again.

14 January 2018 at 16:57

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@David - I don't know. So far as I am aware, myself and Greg Cochran are the only Evolutionary Psychology type people who are Christian.

14 January 2018 at 18:42

Blogger ArchAngel said...

This is an insightful post. I've been writing about positivism over on Sigma Frame (as ArchAngel), and I hope to tackle evolutionary psychology someday.

My angle is essentially Wittgensteinian, and derives largely from the book "Wittgenstein Reads Freud". The idea is that evolutionary psychology (like Freudian psychoanalysis) is metaphysics cross-dressing as science.

For instance, Freud was convinced that all dreams are wish-fulfillments. By contrast, consider the scientific proposition that the planets travel in ellipses, not circles. The latter is discovered through observation and has to be demonstrated by making predictions and experimentation. On the other hand, the psychoanalyst's job depends on his ingenuity in interpreting events to support a preconceived notion. Rather than discover, he philosophizes; rather than prove, he persuades.

I believe evolutionary psychology is the contemporary version of this. It relies on Darwin's enormous scientific authority; meaning that criticism of it is seen as something naïve Christians in denial do.

This makes it impervious to scientific criticism because it is actually a philosophy (like nihilism), so science cannot -- strictly speaking -- defeat it. On the other hand, philosophical condemnation would kill it, but philosophers do not attack it because they view it as a science.

My aim is not to disprove it, but to expose it as a form of metaphysics. That way, people will reject it just like they reject Thor, Odin and Yggdrasil.

If you're interested, I could let you know when I publish the post, which will be a long time from now anyway.

5 December 2023 at 20:12

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

I agree that the theory of evolution by natural selection is actually metaphysics.

Owen Barfield does not use the term metaphysics, but discusses this issue of using science as metaphysics while claiming that it derives from science, in Saving the Appearances.

My own views are summarized here:

https://d197for5662m48.cloudfront.net/documents/publicationstatus/134452/preprint_pdf/9e8ad96af70e35355253eaff98736e3c.pdf

5 December 2023 at 22:25

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

I also wrote this from a Christian POV, about a decade ago

https://christian-evolutionist.blogspot.com/

5 December 2023 at 22:27