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Blogger The Social Pathologist said...

Beauty is a good but it is not Caritas

20 August 2014 at 10:38

Anonymous Adam g. said...

How could anyone possessing those beautiful old buildings think they needed to be "relevant"?

20 August 2014 at 16:21

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@SP. And your point is...?

20 August 2014 at 16:23

Anonymous Joel E. said...

Buildings can only be beautiful if they possess emergent order. There must be an internal complexity at a microscopic level that is allowed to inform the greater whole.

Even ugly buildings can be "good." A wrinkled old man is ugly, but he is not the evil sort of ugly, like he might achieve with plastic surgery to fight the natural decay.

Similarly, buildings can be ugly through the fault of poverty or age, but the real sort of evil ugliness in a building can only be designed. And generally it's an ugliness where natural orders have been suppressed in the service of some, mostly empty, overall design.

Modern buildings mostly seem to say that "big is beautiful" and "scale is everything." And the only part of the design that they pay attention to is the largest. Of course, that is a fundamental misunderstanding of beauty that has its obvious consequences.

20 August 2014 at 18:46

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@JE - Hmmm. It is not necessary, or possible, to produce a definition of Beauty. And I don't think ugly buildings are 'good' in the sense I mean - because ugliness is not aesthetic, nor is it a positive quality - but more like anti-Beauty - or the defacement, marring or destruction of Beauty.

20 August 2014 at 22:23

Blogger The Social Pathologist said...

@BC

My point is that the like between Beauty and Godliness is not always there.

Evil too, can cloak itself in beauty.

20 August 2014 at 22:35

Anonymous Alex Matan said...

@SP. Beauty, Truth, and Goodness always go together. Caritas (Goodness) is always true and it is always beautiful. It can embody joy or sorrow, be it a mother holding a newborn or Mary holding her crucified Son (e.g. Michaelangelo's Pieta).

Roger Scruton's documentary, Why Beauty Matters, captures a lot of the problems of modern art.

As for defining beauty, architect Christopher Alexander has done quite a bit of work in this area with his The Nature of Order.

21 August 2014 at 00:06

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@SP - I think this is actually an example of making a mistake about Beauty - or perhaps of over generalizing from superficial features of Beauty.

A relevant comparison would be to assume a man is virtuous because he leads a devout Christian life and does many good works.

His heart may be rotten, his motivations wicked; he may be performing good works and faking devoutness for self-gain, or simply because he lives in a society or subgroup where these are encouraged and he is a weak and passive individual.

So we can err in attributing Beauty - but Beauty is always Good.

However Beauty is not the whole of Good - and neither is virtue nor truth.

21 August 2014 at 06:54