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Blogger Francis Berger said...

Well, I certainly hope you pronounced it KEE-eev when you asked for the chicken. To do otherwise would be insensitive and uncouth!

25 January 2024 at 20:28

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

The past is alterable. The past never has been altered.

Crumbed chicken breasts stuffed with melted garlic butter is spelled Kyiv pronounced KEE-eev. Crumbed chicken breasts stuffed with melted garlic butter has Always been spelled Kyiv pronounced KEE-eev.

25 January 2024 at 23:22

Blogger william arthurs said...

We did not have a turkiye for our Christmas dinner.

26 January 2024 at 00:01

Blogger Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

Did the supermarket seriously rename chicken Kiev, or is this satire? Sorry, but it's impossible to tell anymore. All I can say is they'd better not come for my Thanksgiving türkiye!

26 January 2024 at 01:42

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

WmJas - Yes - to both questions! It's "and" rather than "or".

26 January 2024 at 05:50

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@WmJas - Here it is:

https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/products/waitrose-2-chicken-kyivs-with-garlic-and-parsley-butter/487450-136983-136984

26 January 2024 at 06:44

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@WmJas - I've added a link to the post, to clarify that this is (what we doctors call...) "real".

26 January 2024 at 07:27

Blogger william arthurs said...

I had assumed that the voluntary nature of British supermarkets' declaration of hostilities towards Russia, in the first week of military operations, was famed worldwide.

Renaming Chicken Kiev --- pulling products from Russia from the shelves.

During WW2, we forwarded Hitler's royalties for sales of the English translation of Mein Kampf, on to him via a neutral country, Switzerland -- I think Orwell comments on this somewhere in his correspondence. That was perhaps bending over backwards to exemplify the British sense of fair play when dealing with the enemy. But guess what folks? Fast foward to Feb 2022, I visit Sainsbury's on the Cromwell Road and find one sole bottle of St Petersburg Vodka on the liquor shelf -- and am told they are not restocking -- from a country we are not formally at war with.

26 January 2024 at 12:03

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@wa - "voluntary"...? Well, this IS a totalitarian dictatorship, encompassing All major social institutions and corporations (including churches); as was blazingly evident in 2020 to all but the self-blinded (admittedly a very large proportion of the population!).

But unlike the mid-twentieth century, the ultimate "dictators" are situated globally rather than nationally, and their personal identities are not advertised -- not that it matters much, since the humans are under direct control by literal demons.

26 January 2024 at 13:17

Blogger Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

Ha! I see William Arthurs beat me to the punch with the turkey joke.

Having clicked the link, I'm a bit surprised to discover that Kiev (or whatever!) is apparently being used as a countable common noun in the UK, such that each cutlet is "a Kiev," plural "Kievs." I've only ever heard "Chicken Kiev" used the same way as "Eggs Benedict" or "Fettucine Alfredo," with the proper name as an adjectival post-modifier.

26 January 2024 at 15:23

Anonymous Luther Burgsvik said...

Waitrose, eh...? Well, there's your problem!

27 January 2024 at 00:00

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@LB - No. Things are MUCH worse than that.

It is not specific. It is the System, which is evil, everywhere, and cannot be escaped (except by death).

We must live with it, in it, and - of course - we therefore sustain it.

That's how bad things are.

27 January 2024 at 06:30

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

Comment from LB:

"There's a reason that you see Chicken Kyiv's in Waitrose, but not in Iceland... The middle class love to signal loyalty to 'The Current Thing' more than the working class. That's the point. And yes, evil may be all pervasive, but it doesn't mean that all classes manifest it equally. Consequently, there are ways to lessen having 'The Current Thing' rubbed in your face on a daily basis..."

Yes, but All That Stuff is mere materialistic preferences - the long-term proven *delusion* of changing the West's social trajectory by trimming lifestylism at the margins.

Such stuff is a black hole of discernment, effort and resources; because strategically irrelevant to what ought to be the Real business of Christians Now - which is a clear recognition of the pervasive societal totalitarianism of spiritual evil in The West, and fighting the spiritual war.

27 January 2024 at 16:27