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Anonymous Wm Jas said...

I've read this post several times now and find it quite thought-provoking. (Romans 8:26-28 seems relevant.)

However, I'm not at all sure how to put this into practice. "Giving up will power" sounds a lot like renouncing self control and allowing oneself to be blown about by every wind of external influence.

29 October 2014 at 01:16

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@WmJas - Maybe you could read through my previous postings which come up from word-searching 'Arkle'?

Not the least appealing aspect of Arkle is that he does not offer any easy route to spiritual development, he said that it is difficult because it is meant to be difficult, and that we mostly learn by trial and error and making mistakes. This is indeed God's plan for us - so we can know reality from both sides.

(More exactly we are meant to be tempted to sin, but not act/not actually sin - however, the system is set up such that our inevitable mistakes and weaknesses - inevitable given the kind of creatures we are - are forgiven on condition of repentance - and we can move on: wiser.)

So the kind of self-knowledge and harmony with the Will is meant to be 'quarried-out' from life, by each individual person's choices, in a situation where there is no formula and a high probability of making mistakes.

Arkle was himself a visionary mystic who meditated; but he did not recommend meditation as either necessary nor even helpful for everybody - its value was for those whose lives (or personalities) were too 'noisy' for them to hear what they needed to hear.

He was also self-identified as a Christian, in the sense of regarding Christ as the saviour and first born Son of God

Arkle's views are overall much like Mormonism, and explanatory of some specific aspects of Mormonism - certain their 'flavour' is very Mormon - although he gives no indication of knowing anything at all about LDS plus there are incompatible elements - such as a large role for reincarnation, which I have discussed/ explained-away previously. But the concept of spiritual progression is much the same - so the discovery of The Will is *not* like Zen Buddhist enlightenment coming upon a person; but a stepwise and incremental process, built over a lifetime.

So giving up will power would *not* be like renouncing self-control, but instead aiming for control by the real self, The Will.

Since The Will contains contains and harmonizes with a 'divine spark (almost literally a 'piece' of God in each of us) - this would in fact be completely stable and resistant to superficial influences, in a way impossible for mere Will Power.

The further a person progressed in harmonizing with The Will, the less he would be blown about by external influences - because he would be more securely rooted by the divine Will.

29 October 2014 at 05:08

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@WmJas - wrt Putting into practice.

I think it would follow that if synchronicity keeps happening, then you are on the right lines; moving in the right direction - i.e. following your 'destiny' in accordance with The Will (as contrasted with trying to hijack your destiny in the direction that your false self wants - by force of Will Power).

29 October 2014 at 11:56

Anonymous ajb said...

"So giving up will power would *not* be like renouncing self-control, but instead aiming for control by the real self, The Will."

It seems to me that the traditional Christian understanding of this is that increasing one's will-power helps to then align oneself with 'The Will'. It is one of the points of ascetic practices.

Of course, like any 'technology', increasing one's will-power could help one to persist in non-alignment with The Will.

Much of Christian practice is devoted to figuring out how to increase the likelihood of the former.

29 October 2014 at 13:57

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@ajb - Good point. The Eastern Orthodox meditative tradition could be interpreted as being saturated with the awareness of the hazards of wrongly-directed Will Power.

But the mainstream Christian doctrine of Original Sin could (in some interpretations) conflict with Arkle's concept of The Will - which is one reason why Arkle seems to fit better with Mormonism.

Some Christians are so strongly aware of the fundamental rottenness of Man, that they assume that any form of meditation involving 'looking within' would almost certainly lead to harm.

Others, are so aware of the power of demonic forces to deceive and subvert, and the weakness of Man to detect or rests this, that mysticism is treated with great suspicion.

However, Mormons believe that as incarnate spirits, Men are stronger than Satan (who is at a lower level of spiritual progression - an un-incarnated spirit) - so that demonic influences can only prevail when men choose to allow this.

This is probably why Mormons are so positive about everyday mystical experiences, such as personal revelations and the guidance of the Holy Ghost.

29 October 2014 at 14:15

Anonymous Santiago said...

Latching onto an idée fixe will also lead to perceiving synchronicity, such that when one becomes consumed by a given pattern it will appear to be everywhere (extreme cases to be found among obsessive-compulsives and paranoiacs). Such is a similar principle as that operant in sympathetic magic (common throughout tribal societies, who testify to its efficacy).

Proliferation of coincidences cannot on its own be taken as signaling spiritual maturation, which is an internal change (μετάνοια).

29 October 2014 at 17:22