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Blogger TonguelessYoungMan said...

I often hear from people "don't aim for a successful life aim for an interesting life, or some variation thereof.

Then I realize what they mean as "interesting" amounts to sex, travel, intoxicants, etc.

Which is what most people mean by successful anyway, when they don't mean money, at least.

Then again having money will greatly aid getting to be a international hedonist.

So the meaning of life, the True Way of The Modern Man, is to get enough money to be a cool international hedonist.

23 December 2020 at 16:27

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@TYM - I was aiming for plenty of 'unstructured time', for what Thoreau called a life 'with a broad margin' - which is why I became an academic in the era before it became filled solid with bureaucracy (which process was complete from about five years ago).

For the first 25 ish years I earned about half what I did as a doctor, but also worked less than half as many hours, and (apart from lectures) much of the work was moveable. (I could not tolerate the long, draining hours of medicine, so there was no question of continuing *that*.) I was very free.

Being a 'professor' (actually a Reader) up to c 2012 was close to an ideal job for me especially given that I really enjoyed lecturing (although all aspects of the work were declining year by year from when I began, in the later 1980s).

Nowadays somebody of my type would be unemployable, I suspect.

23 December 2020 at 16:50

Blogger John Irwin said...

An old Southern gent who was an authority on everything once said something to the effect that: 'A successful man is a fella who doesn't do anything he doesn't want to do'.

23 December 2020 at 17:37

Anonymous Andrew said...

Regarding the comments -

I was slow on the uptake, but during my time at University I "finally" had an anti-epiphany and fully understood and embraced modern godless materialism - that without God I was basically free to do anything in self-interest and that anything (lying, etc.) was on-the-table and that everyone did it to get ahead - as long as it wasn't illegal.

It worked too. I became financially successful, and only started to crawl out of it once I realized 1) the promises are empty, materialism is very tedious and boring (AFAIK, all of the wealthy who focus on buying "nice things" get no pleasure from it, they just feel pain at not-having) , 2) the implications for my children.

It also can leave a permanent stain on the soul of sorts: If you rely on money, rather than totally on God, to provide security you really never feel secure - no matter what. Market losses, lawsuits, competition, etc. can take it away. I think this is why you see so many really rich never satisfied, but trying to accumulate more endlessly like dragons.

23 December 2020 at 19:02

Anonymous Faculty X said...

Colin Wilson's main idea of a further development of consciousness as a necessary and inevitable step in human development is a high bar indeed. It's similar to making enlightenment a requirement for success.

Since achieving enlightenment has historically been extremely rare, usually said to be less than one in one million, that's not happening anytime soon, especially not culture-wide.

It's impossible to have a truly spiritual life without having a life that is Not a Life by modernity's standards.

Separation from the System is mandatory.

The main problem from that era, the 1970s, is the removal of a Higher Power and replacing it with Human Potential, as if we are all X-men waiting to be powered up by our own selves only.

I, as Faculty X, have thought often of Colin Wilson's work about Faculty X, and conclude that there are built-in limitations to the concept. Where to go from here is the question.

23 December 2020 at 23:26

Blogger Jonathan said...

You are still ploughing your own unique furrow, Bruce. I still know of no other source that connects wisdom, meaning, and divinity to the modern context as firmly as this blog does. It is still my daily touchstone for reality; without it I might be swept away by the AbsurdWorld all around us.

24 December 2020 at 00:09

Blogger a_probst said...

The promoters of atheism seem to derive so much energy from shocking, mocking, berating, and lampooning the religious that one wonders what they would experience without them to 'kick around' any longer.

An Earth peopled entirely by materialists but which the believers could watch safely from an extra-dimensional sideline would be morbidly fascinating to see unfold.

I'm not saying that I want it to be any more than a thought experiment.

24 December 2020 at 01:02

Blogger TonguelessYoungMan said...

@John Irwin - And what does "A successful man is a fella who doesn't do anything he doesn't want to do" mean? It doesn't mean anything, or it can mean anything. What if what the fella wants to do is insane?

At the risk of getting too abstract, how do we define want? Desire ("wanting") is often incoherent. For an easy example, how many alcoholics, habitual gamblers, nicotine addicts etc. simultaneously Want to be free of their addiction and also still want their alcohol, cigarattes, and gambling thrills?

24 December 2020 at 06:08

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@FX - At the time of the Outsider and the next few books, I don't think CW had developed his ideas about consciousness, at least not so explicitly as later.

At any rate, I didn't reall get this idea until reading the later works, which also introduced Faculty X.

In the Outsider era, I think CW was evaluating his exemplary Outsiders by a mixture of artistic excellence and cultural-religious impact. He also (as a healthy, vigorous young man) made no allowance for ageing, illness and death upon achievement; because CW regarded these (GB Shaw fashion) as symptoms of a causal, underlying, mental and spiritual decline, loss of will, demoralisation - rather than sickness etc being causes of decline.

(Interestingly, this Shavian attitude (especially in Back to Methuselah) that ageing and death is potentially 'curable', with the right attitude, has made a bit of a comeback with transhumanism - but this time lacking utterly the abstract spirituality of Shaw's creative evolution. BTW have you read CW's writings on Shaw? It seems clear to me that CW saw himself as following Shaw's 'creative evolution' ideas, at least in the earlier part of CW's career, up to the late 60s, and maybe beyond.)

It is easy to forget that for the Outsider and Religion and the Rebel, Wilson was explicitly Christian, indeed a Romantic Christian, tending towars Roman Catholic monasticism (he kept telling his wife he might become a monk).

24 December 2020 at 08:44