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Blogger Ron Tomlinson said...

Society is a large, complex system which makes it hard to assess how good it is since this inevitably involves selection of which aspects are indicative of its overall goodness or 'health'.

There are more than a few indicators which to me make it seem like the West is actually improving. e.g. there's been no major war for 60 years; violence, rape, child abuse are declining. Notably a precursor to the decline of child abuse was discovering just how prevalent it has been. Perhaps the same will be said of internet trolling one day.

But these are unhelpful in the absence of a rigorous explanation of why any particular set of indicators is systemically fundamental.

My own view is that no such explanation exists. The problem is rather like that of trying to measure knowledge. Exams can't do it. So better to simply keep improving.

In which direction is improvement most needed, and how can it be effected?

At the risk of giving offense: I doubt any religious revival could take hold if it requires adopting beliefs about the physical world which conflict with science, such as creationism. People aren't going to take such things seriously any more.

But perhaps they don't need to. As this blog recently pointed out, the most important commandment of Christianity is to love God with all one's heart. This does *not* conflict with science. But, in philosophical terms, it is vague. For instance, the concept of God remains vague, more like a placeholder than a concept. The word 'heart' is presumably used metaphorically, although the autonomic nervous system and the mind's adaptive role in defending homeostasis from novel attack come to mind.

Yet the commandment seems to allude to something of vital importance. I can't explain why although the intuition seems connected to my Christian background and personal experiences. We need to understand more fully what it means and integrate it with the rest of our knowledge. It may then give us the *discernment* to decide in which direction objective improvement lies. Also a convincing way to communicate it to others.

Prediction of the growth of knowledge isn't possible, but I'd bet that the discovery of Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) would not only alter Western Civilisation dramatically but would also teach us enough about the *human* mind (and heart) to take the project forward. It seems to be the issue of the age, where science, philosophy and technology collide.

-- Tom

5 March 2015 at 14:35

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Tom - While of course some things are better than they used to be, although certainly NOT child abuse - unless you set aside revelation upon revelation (and how many we don't know of?) of industrial scale organized pedeophilia tacitly permitted by the British police - I think you are mistaken to assume that our society is solving problems.

People have changed, and become less responsive and active, more docile - but that is hardly to anybody's credit! I presume it is a mixture of genetic change; mass medication with and dependence on sedative and dumb drugs such as SSRIs, antipsychotics, tranquillizers, anticonvulsants, antihypertensives, and statins; mass mass media addiction; and a kind of frozen learned helplessness.

On the other hand there is very little positive cooperation, helping, or self-organization - civil society has melted away over the past few decades.

The most obvious decline in the core of social life: the stable family with children.

wrt research, I don't think we will make many further major discoveries such as AGI - even if this is possible which I doubt - because science (behind the hype) has all but dried-up - and there are almost zero geniuses to make the discoveries.

And people will believe almost anything, even when it contracts common sense and personal experience. For example, many of our elite believe there is no psychological difference between men and women!

Most world leaders believe, or at least assert, that they can predict and (by their policies) control the planets climate and atmosphere! - despite that there is not a molecule of evidence for this claim and it is clearly untrue.

The age of science all-but ended about fifty years ago and (aside from a tiny minority - most of them little known and disregarded) we are merely witnessing the dying off of the last real major scientists.

5 March 2015 at 15:55

Anonymous Faculty X said...

Hmm, I think you have the hierarchy reversed due to your beliefs in Mormonism: Colin Wilson would have fully developed explorers of consciousness united.

Then they might look at Mormonism as an interesting dimension of the Astral Planes that many regular people choose to go to upon death.

Much as Yogis would.

Mormonism would be far too rigid for Wilson's self-actualizing wielders of Faculty X.

These new people would have the most power (albeit quietly). Status may still go to those who participate in society most conventionally, but this would be akin to nouveau riche contrasted with a genuine Aristocracy.

I don't think Colin Wilson missed much in fact, he had a fascinating philosophy that much like Tolkien hints at a world that is almost just right there! It's liminal, true in its own way, yet elusive, much like the paranormal, which Wilson noted in his work as signposts to a higher level of development.

As noted by him and others, the real breakthroughs are in consciousness, but the there is a Power that will not let humans develop psychically - or spiritually - at this time.

5 March 2015 at 19:32

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@FX - I have been reading Colin Wilson for more than 35 years, from long before I was a Christian; so I appreciate and understand fairly well what he was up to. I think CW was quite correct about the problem of human consciousness setting a limit of human life, and that this needs to be transformed; however even if all this happened, it does not tackle the problem of death. CW later came to be a firm believer in life after death. Yet even an elevated consciousness and life after death does not tackle the fundamental problem that we could not live with ourselves as-we-are for eternity, but must become divinised - and if divinised must participate in the divine work.

In sum, I don't think CW ever grasped the need for Christ (he does not see the implication of Christ being the Son of God - but treats Christ as if merely a prophet and teacher), the need for the Atonement.

It is this understanding of the human condition - the need and the need-fulfilled - which enables Christianity honestly to offer more than any other religion (no other religion even pretends to offer as much as Christianity - as Pascal clearly saw) - and within Christianity no other understanding offers as much to Man as Mormonism does.

I see this as a progressive revelation and growing understanding of the human condition - the more we know, the more wonderful it is.

5 March 2015 at 20:17