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Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Anonymous - I don't post anon comments - Please could you identify yourself, or use a pseudonym?

31 March 2019 at 16:01

Blogger Francis Berger said...

Good post. Insane is the only word for it. Unfortunately, I surmise the only thing that could bring about any change in motivations is deep and sustained collective suffering.

The only question in my mind is who the source of that suffering will be - the outright leftists or the smug, deluded conservative leftist/libertarians?

31 March 2019 at 18:16

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Francis - What I don't know is whether suffering is nowadays capable of producing a positive change in the European population as they are now. It has almost never done so among individuals that I know of personally.

Suffering leads perhaps to fighting against it (eg by trying to cram as much action into remaining life as possible), trying to reduce it (eg by technology, or aletrnative therapy), or falling into despair.

But suffering doesn't often seem to lead to a Christian (or to any other religious) awakening - as perhaps it might have done in the past.

31 March 2019 at 18:42

Blogger Francis Berger said...

@BC - I certainly would not wish for suffering, and you are right. It worked in the past. No guarantee it would prove effective today.

31 March 2019 at 18:56

Blogger William Wildblood said...

You're so right in what you say here. Reform doesn't make a bad thing better, though it may have done at one time.I But now it's just a means of preserving a bad thing and giving it fresh life.

Wrt suffering, I suppose it will only work on a basically honest soul who has just gone astray. But the rot today seems to be deeper than that.

31 March 2019 at 20:04

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@William "Reform... is just a means of preserving a bad thing and giving it fresh life."

That's it, in a nutshell.

31 March 2019 at 20:14

Blogger Chent said...

Right, Bruce and Francis. Suffering is not enough. It will take the total collapse of the West, which is inevitable, although it could take a few decades or centuries.

And the change will not be caused by the suffering of the collapse but by the fact that,after the collapse only a traditional lifestyle will be possible.

In the Middle Ages, there was no money for the army of civil servants, clerks, teachers and journalists needed to make the current system possible

1 April 2019 at 01:25