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Anonymous IA said...

"And (when there are no standards external to society) being in a minority of one and insisting on your personal interpretation above that of everyone else is a definition of either stupidity, delusion, or antisocial selfishness."

There is a powerful and rich arts establishment that is organized from the top down. Its branches include the MoMA (Nelson Rockefeller's mother was a joint founder), Whitney, Guggenheim, Tate Modern, Pompidou, Menil in Houston, the Los Angeles County Museum, and many, many others with vast resourses and benefactors. The highest price paid for a living artist at auction was a Jeff Koons which recently went for I think $57 million. Damian Hirst has assistants who make dot paintings which he signs and then sells for millions. Try to understand that young impressionable people in art schools are noticing where the money is. They may are may not think about anything other than what is being sold and what it takes to tap into the market, a market fueled by hedge fund wives, Chinese millionaires, and Russian oligarchs all looking for safe spaces to park their loot.

Artists do what they're told to do. They are supplying a market demand like any other manufacturer. If the market demands emptiness and irony they will supply the images, gestures, and what have you. I'm not saying artists have no agency. But they, like anyone else, need to pay the rent and most tend to be poor and in fact stay poor. I don't think they should be judged differently than sport, rock or movie stars. Yes, there are fools who think they are superhuman and Picasso was a god. But, in truth the market demands that artists hold up a mirror that reflects back on the patron what they, the patron, would like to be, what they desire to imitate. Its what the market demands. The artist's image is a more intense and concentrated form of that desire of the patron. So if the patrons are stupid, delusional and antisocial why should their artists be any different?

17 June 2016 at 15:17

Anonymous Jonathan C said...

Great observations. I'm adding this to my list of your greatest hits.

Posts like this are particularly important to me because I'm often thinking about my motivations for my own creative work, and how much I should shift that work toward what would be more popular.

I've always had an internal motivation system that seems nearly impervious to external feedback. But I was fortunate that my internal motivations coincided with things that others considered important at the right time to establish my career. Now, those two things are much less in accord, and now is the time to make decisions about my future directions. Like you, I seem to have been guided by an implicit belief in the transcendental even during my atheist years. But now that I'm Christian again, I need to work through the implications of that so that there's a direct connection from my Christian beliefs to my motivations. Your writing is helping me with that, though I still feel like there's a long way to go.

17 June 2016 at 16:22

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@IA - Sorry I was talking about real Art. What you describe shares the name, but that is all.

17 June 2016 at 18:07

Anonymous Nicholas Fulford said...

An artist is always free to follow their muse, and in fact it is an essential requirement to abandon all masks at the doorway. Art that is authentic - which is any good art - requires that vestment be discarded; that the mind and emotions be open to being inspired - to being stuck full force with inspiration's lightning bolt - out of the blue.

An artist must be concerned with fidelity to his or her muse, to becoming naked enough to create a form that distills and instills the essential/archetypical in a form which has the ability to alter the state of others when they engage with it.

18 June 2016 at 17:46

Blogger Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

"I was actually a practical but unacknowledged deist. I really did believe in objective, impersonal standards and goals."

How does deism give you that? If a personal God is the source of standards and goals, how are they impersonal and objective? (This is a sincere question. I still don't understand how belief in God does the philosophical work so many people are convinced it does.)

18 June 2016 at 20:05

Anonymous IA said...

And then you have the problem of forgers. One of the best was the great English forger Eric Hebborn who also wrote about his life and trade. One book, Drawn to Trouble, did just that because he named names of very influential people who's careers and honor were destroyed. One day walking in Rome Hebborn's head ran into a blunt object. No person associated with this occurrence has been found, to my knowledge.

19 June 2016 at 02:49

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Wm - I explain, with context, in the course of this article

https://thewinnower.com/papers/3497-reconceptualizing-the-metaphysical-basis-of-biology-a-new-definition-based-on-deistic-teleology-and-an-hierarchy-of-organizing-entities

But I use deism to mean a NON-personal deity, and reserve theism for a personal god/s.

19 June 2016 at 05:54