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Anonymous Samson J. said...

Holey moley! I scrolled through this, noticed that it was a, hrm, somewhat longer post than usual, and I just kept scrolling... and scrolling... and it seemed never to end! But I've actually begun reading it, and it's quite good in spite of being a "rough draft", and it makes me look forward to receiving my copy of the NCP.

I always find it interesting to learn that one of my heroes (Tolkien and my grandfather both come to mind) went through a phase where he was really struggling with the circumstances of life in one way or another. It makes me realize, when I've undergone similar periods, that it won't last forever, any more than it did for others.

28 July 2012 at 05:14

Anonymous stephen c said...

Thank you for posting this very insightful commentary on what is apparently a much more interesting part of Tolkien's work than I previously thought

29 July 2012 at 04:55

Anonymous Samson J. said...

Well, then. After having read all this about Tolkien and his experiences with dreaming, I must ask: do you think there's any relationship between Tolkien's real-life dreams and the dreams of the characters in That Hideous Strength?

29 July 2012 at 23:29

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@SJ - "do you think there's any relationship between Tolkien's real-life dreams and the dreams of the characters in That Hideous Strength?"

Did you mean to write Lewis instead of Tolkien?

30 July 2012 at 06:09

Anonymous Samson J. said...

Oops, yes, obviously!

30 July 2012 at 14:03

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@SJ - I think it is likely.

We know that Lewis used dream images in other contexts (e.g. Narnia books), and we also know that Lewis was prone to nightmares

http://notionclubpapers.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/cs-lewis-as-dreamer.html

So it is likely that at least some of the nightmare material in THS was drawn from his own experiences.

30 July 2012 at 14:37

Blogger Keri Ford said...

This is good, a fascinating perspective. I haven't read the Notion Club Papers, but I will.

The Hobbit and the LoTR were the first books to really light me up, Tolkien had a big impact on me and on our culture, at the very least he has allowed people to have a real life in their imaginations when materialism was raging.

That's a really nice corrective in your portrait of Tolkien, Carpenter's picture is contradicted by Tolkien's imaginative works. It's interesting that William's reputation and Tolkien's have suffered in two different directions, Williams as too weird and dodgy and Tolkien as too conventional. But Tolkien is clearly a visionary of some description

This has also made me think that the fragmentary nature of Tolkien's Legendarium actually has it's positive side, the desire for more that the LoTR provokes in readers is important and a more complete enclosed and finished work would not give this. We are forced into an imaginative participation, to complete it in our minds. It has also given his son a life's work in presenting it all. I admit that before reading you i wasn't so interested in exploring the fragments but now acknowledge that that was a mistake.

One thing I was surprised that you equated CW with Ransom in That Hideous Strength, where I had seen many other make the Tolkien connection with the earlier book, so had assumed that carried over. I agree that the book itself is very influenced by Williams, but i think I still prefer to imagine Tolkien as Ransom. Although the suggestion of a cult around him does smell a bit more of Williams.

24 September 2017 at 04:36

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Keri

Thanks for the comments - glad you liked this. So far I haven't 'converted' many people to the NCPs, but maybe you will be one?

I'd forgotten about the Ransom CW comparison, but having just finished the audiobook of THS I think it was quite accurate. Ransom in THS is a different person from the early two books of the trilogy - but I don't think any of the Ransoms are at all like Tolkien in personality - in in being a philologist.

Did you notice Barfield is also mentioned, by name, in THS?

24 September 2017 at 15:44