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Blogger Alan Roebuck said...

You have said that Harry Potter is a Christian work. But is it not true that the sine qua non of Christianity is the forgiveness of sins by repentance and faith in Jesus Christ? In other religions, if sins are to be remitted, it is by hard work, but Christianity is the announcement of what God has done for us, in Christ. Is this element present in Harry Potter?

Also, I observe that symbolism is lost on most people, especially deep symbolism. I think that when the average child sees Harry Potter he sees, not Christianity symbolized, but the idea that some people are endowed by God (or god, or whomever) with supernatural magical abilities that can be developed through instruction and practice. Yet the Bible repeatedly warns us against playing with the occult, for it is the realm of Satan and his minions.

8 February 2012 at 15:23

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Alan - two words: John Granger. Maybe look at some of the interviews linked on the Wiki page.

JG is a Russian Orthodox Reader.

For a Protestant take on HP watch this video of Jerram Barrs:

http://www.hogwartsprofessor.com/
jerram-barrs-on-harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows/

Quite aside from the enjoyable content, Professor Barrs has just about the most soothing voice since Bob Ross!

8 February 2012 at 16:53

Blogger Alan Roebuck said...

Thanks. I’ll examine the links you suggest.

As one who has studied the Harry Potter works, could you give a quick summary judgment: Does HP show a Christlike individual whom we are to admire and try to emulate, or does it show a savior in whose finished work we are to trust? This is the crux of the issue. The first option is common even among non-Christians, whereas the second is the heart of Christianity.

8 February 2012 at 17:40

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Alan - I'm not quite sure what you are getting at. If you are asking whether Harry Potter is an allegory of the Gospels, then the answer is no.

If you are asking whether it is about the unique saving necessity of Christ, the answer is no.

It is not designed to convert - either explicitly or implicitly.

But for a Christian who tunes into it, then HP can be a profound devotional book - as well as fun, exciting, characterful etc.

It is Christian in a way which is not like any other book I can think of - not an allegory, not like Tolkien, not a supposal like CS Lewis.

If you search this blog for Harry Potter, you can find some of the reflections provoked by the series. This is an example:

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/
2011/07/soul-in-harry-potter-and-deathly.html

8 February 2012 at 18:18

Blogger Baduin said...

The following topic is much too complex for a simple comment; I am trying to write an essay on it, but perhaps it would be worthwhile to mention it.

Harry Potter, similarly to much of the epic fantasy, is in many aspects a typical dragon-fighting story, with Voldemort being a quite typical dragon.

Two of such stories are mentioned by Tolkien in "On Fairy Stories"

THE SEA-MAIDEN. Popular Tales of the West Highlands by J. F. Campbell Volume I [1890]
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/pt1/pt108.htm

The Giant Who Had No Heart in His Body
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/ptn/ptn19.htm

The fundamental version is preserved in Iran.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahhak

However, Harry Potter does not correspond to the most typical hero of those stories - a third son.

He is clearly another type of hero, also a dragon slayer - a sun-hero, a shining master of all arts, such as Lugh, Sigurd or, in Mahabharata, Karna.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/mbh/index.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karna

The peculiarity of this type of hero is best shown in Mahabharata. The light of Karna, like that of his father, the Sun, is not the ultimate light of God. He is perhaps the most accomplished of the heroes, but he fights on the wrong side, supporting the (morally) blind king, and not the rebels - who are right.

Harry Potter is exactly that kind of saint - he is personally good, but he fights on the wrong side.

9 February 2012 at 17:29

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Baduin - "Harry Potter is exactly that kind of saint - he is personally good, but he fights on the wrong side."

I don't understand, is this a misprint? Or do you mean HP fights on the opposite side than 'Karna' in the legend you previously cited?

9 February 2012 at 17:42

Blogger Baduin said...

Harry Potter (USA and modern West in general) fights on the right side in the fight against Voldemort (Hitler), of course.

But since he clearly supports modernity, equality etc, his (that is ours) side is wrong itself.

9 February 2012 at 19:50

Blogger Baduin said...

The same (or analogous) characters appear in two different myths:
1) Myth of the Dragon-King
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamshid
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahhak

2) Myth of the Great Battle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bravalla

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurukshetra_War

1) In the Dragon-King myth (which corresponds to the typical epic fantasy, including Harry Potter), the Dragon is usually defeated by a warrior representing the Thunder-God (eg Indra). However, in some cases the dragon can be defeated by another hero, representing the Sun-God (eg Lugh).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugh
This doesn't have much importance for the Dragon-Myth itself; both heroes can defeat the dragon perfectly well.

The heroes can be distinguished by certain marks, with Harry Potter possessing many of the typical elements of the Karna-hero: Invulnerability, a visible sign of divine descent, brought up by common people etc.

2) In the Great Battle Myth, the old king goes blind and loses his way - morally. There is a great battle between him and the rebels - who are right. Karna hero supports the king and is defeated.

Whereas the Second World War and Harry Potter series are similar to the Dragon Myth (with Hitler as the dragon), our current situation is much nearer the Great Battle myth. We have lost the correct direction. And the problem is, that ideals and people represented by Harry Potter - which are good in themselves - will fight to support the Blind King of modernism.

9 February 2012 at 20:19

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Baduin - I can't go along with your analysis - since I agree with John Granger that HP works on two levels - the superficial 'post-modern' and politically correct level, in which HP fights against Nazi-type Death Eaters whose main crime is their prejudice against 'mud bloods'.

But this is to neglect the deeper level, which is just as real and more important, in which HP is a traditional, orthodox Christian struggle of Love against Pride; with a special role allocated for that least modern of virtues - courage.

10 February 2012 at 14:06

Blogger Baduin said...

Why do you think there is any contradiction there?

Christianity (ie the Catholic Church and later Protestants) created modernity and supported it for a thousand years, despite continuous attacks of modernity against it. A great number of saints supported modernity - in principle, although of course making (absolutely ineffective) exceptions against some especially egregious parts of it.

I do not any signs that the majority of good Christians - such as you consider Harry Potter to be - is going to turn against modernity. They will support modernity, even when it is eating them alive - not because they are evil, but because they are blind.

When Love is employed to supports the enemies of God, Life and Reality, and Courage to oppose those who want to defend them - then the Enemy is strong indeed.

10 February 2012 at 20:40

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Baduin - I see what you are getting at.

Unlike Tolkien, Rowling is writing about the modern world, and therefore Harry's heroism 'merely' serves to restore 'normal' modernity and to save England from something even worse.

This amounts to saving semi-nihilism en route to pure nihilism from pure nihilism here-and-now. So, it it something like England fighting Nazi Germany 1939-45.

And this reflects a difference between Rowling and Tolkien as individuals - Tolkien was a great soul, and Rowling is - it seems - not.

Nonetheless, in the context of advanced modernity, Harry Potter may be serving a really important role by planting the germs of eternal and Christian values - even though it does not follow them through to their conclusions.

11 February 2012 at 10:30

Anonymous Stacy said...

There's another aspect of Harry's growth into sanctity that is often overlooked, but which I appreciated: he does not do this work alone. It is in relationship with his friends, his mentors, and even his enemies that he develops wisdom, self-control, and compassion. I loved that fact that even though he is the only one who can defeat Voldemort, others are needed in the battle as well, both for the sake of the battle and for the good of the saints.

15 March 2012 at 23:22

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Stacy - I agree it is very important.

I wrote about this:

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2012/01/harry-potter-co-inherence-and.html

and

http://notionclubpapers.blogspot.com/2012/02/web-of-co-inherence-in-harry-potter-who.html

16 March 2012 at 05:51