Either the enda justifies the means or the means the ends. So by saying ends justifies the means was a fallacy everyone created the opposite means justifies the ends which is the real fallacy. Of course the ends justifies the means because the end is what matters. Ther real end though not the goal, but what actually ends up being the end.
29 August 2022 at 18:38
Nate Winchester said...
Or one might say the ends (results) judge the means.
Removing ends leaves insanities like one who shoves an old lady in front of a bus and one who shoves an old lady out of the bus' path are the same because the end doesn't matter, only that both shoved old ladies. Some will try to argue motivations but the simple fact is that one can only know thine own mind. We have no way of knowing for sure what either person's motivation was, only what the end of their action is.
Communism is a crafty heresy as I've seen it argued both ways. Some will say the resulting utopia is worth the millions dead. I've also seen others say that to bring up the dead is to judge the means by the end, therefore they will continue to strive to socialism because it is the only just and right means - no matter what the actual end results are.
29 August 2022 at 23:08
Epimetheus said...
Unhinged demonic psychopathy everywhere. Mass spiritual cannibalism and psychological torture. The entire West seems to be in a codependent relationship with the System ie. Satan. It's unbelievable.
Just to clarify - means and ends can be distinguished but can't actually be separated, because they are different aspects of having chosen to be on the side of God and creation. Therefore one cannot pursue good ends using evil means, nor vice versa.
30 August 2022 at 11:26
It used to be a common moral fallacy that the end justifies the means; in other words, that which is (allegedly) aimed-at, justifies evil acts that are necessary to its attainment. Soviet communism - including its many upper class admirers in The West - was a vast instance of this kind of thinking. The systematic torture and killing of the masses was justified by the supposed utopia which they were supposedly making possible. But for Christians; that which is good and right is only attainable by doing the good and right - every step of the way. But the left has evolved over the past century; and has now set aside its utopias. The 2022 justifications are oppositional merely - it is being against climate change/ the birdemic, racism-prejudice-exclusion/ the family/ the Fire Nation/ or people who are men/ white/ native - that is now an entirely sufficient justification for the systemic infliction of vast suffering. What is boils-down-to is that 'Our' suffering is what morally-justifies Their policies and strategies. It is the doing of specific evil acts that proves how good They are...The fact that They are prepared and indeed eager to destroy the economy, food production, energy supplies, transport... science, arts, education, law, the police and military... to destroy peace and to promote war... indeed to destroy anything and everything that performs a useful function or is an actual source of Good - is what justifies any specific act of destruction. We no longer even require 'a good world' in the future as our justification for doing present evil. Instead, in an inverted and perverse fashion; it is the actions of bold, unashamed, destruction of Good itself, that provides an action with moral seriousness. Such it is to live in a world of value-inversion where purposive evil is in-charge, and the masses generally support it... The old communists are still excused their colossal inflictions and murders by their utopian intentions; but their modern successors in the Globalist Establishment simply point at their depredations as evidence of a their 'moral' right to rule.
"In the post 2020, inverted-world: the means justify the ends..."
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Either the enda justifies the means or the means the ends. So by saying ends justifies the means was a fallacy everyone created the opposite means justifies the ends which is the real fallacy. Of course the ends justifies the means because the end is what matters. Ther real end though not the goal, but what actually ends up being the end.
29 August 2022 at 18:38
Or one might say the ends (results) judge the means.
Removing ends leaves insanities like one who shoves an old lady in front of a bus and one who shoves an old lady out of the bus' path are the same because the end doesn't matter, only that both shoved old ladies. Some will try to argue motivations but the simple fact is that one can only know thine own mind. We have no way of knowing for sure what either person's motivation was, only what the end of their action is.
Communism is a crafty heresy as I've seen it argued both ways. Some will say the resulting utopia is worth the millions dead. I've also seen others say that to bring up the dead is to judge the means by the end, therefore they will continue to strive to socialism because it is the only just and right means - no matter what the actual end results are.
29 August 2022 at 23:08
Unhinged demonic psychopathy everywhere. Mass spiritual cannibalism and psychological torture. The entire West seems to be in a codependent relationship with the System ie. Satan. It's unbelievable.
30 August 2022 at 02:40
@John
Huh?
30 August 2022 at 04:43
Just to clarify - means and ends can be distinguished but can't actually be separated, because they are different aspects of having chosen to be on the side of God and creation. Therefore one cannot pursue good ends using evil means, nor vice versa.
30 August 2022 at 11:26