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Anonymous John R. said...

I've been feeling a lot like Sisyphus lately. This post gave me that feeling of epiphany. Thanks!

27 June 2016 at 23:25

Anonymous George said...

But how do you distinguish between your true self and the false one you wish impose thru will power?

It seems to me that will power involves the conscious, ego self, whereas accessing the true self would involve reducing conscious control and submitting to spontaneuity, perhaps.

You have defended ego, bruce, and have criticized eastern religions, and have even once or twice promoted purposive, conscious action (which sounds very much like will power).

If will power is a conscious attempt to impose our will, then surely the alternative is reduced conscious control, and rather than an imposition, a submission to the spontaneous.

Surely this sounds quite similar to eastern religions (which is perfectly compatible with christianity. As you probably know, Eugene Rose was very keen on taoism, and one of his disciples wrote s book Christ the Tao), as well as a cal to reduce ego control and purposive, goal oriented action.

28 June 2016 at 04:33

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@John - You are welcome but it was not my doing - Just as I was about to retire for the night I strongly felt that this post was needed (I very seldom repost anything) and so I did it. Now I know why!

@George - This is not an easy matter to do for most people in the modern world.

The first step is metaphysical - which is to acknowledge that there is a true self, which is usually distinct from the false. The next is to develop a discernment for the heart - the feelings which come from the true self, which may be rather weak and intermittent. Then to recognise when the true self is active, and when not.

In mortal life there are, I think, very few people who live wholly (or almost wholly) from the true self.

If this is unconscious, then that is the situation advocated by Eastern Religions (as a generalisation - also early childhood and hunter gatherer consciousness) - but according to the lineage of Coleridge, Goethe, Steiner, Barfield and Arkle - the Western destiny is to move forwards from where we are now to a conscious living from the true self - in which purposiveness and alertness and self-awareness are retained.

I have been writing (and thinking) a lot recently about this, in multiple posts - you could word search the above author names to find the material, and/ or look at my Arkle blog.

28 June 2016 at 05:32

Anonymous George said...

Thanks, bruce. I've read your posts on this subject.

However, what if coleridge, barfield, etc are wrong? Maybe original participation is all there is. It seems to me there is a reluctance to admit that western man has simply gone down a wrong path, instead we have a need to explain it as a necessary step towards a higher synthesis. Its very Hegelian.

History as progress, tho, is a secularized version of Christian salvation, so I'm suspicious of it.

Is there anything in Christianity that suggests humans are evolving towards a higher consciousness in THIS world rather than the next? And that basically ireligious ways of thinking are a stage on that path?

28 June 2016 at 06:24

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Goerge

I think this is a matter not susceptible of argument or proof - (like many important matters) it can only be settled by direct personal experience. So, to investigate the matter further, you yourself need to try to attain Final Participation (or whatever it may best be called) albeit briefly and partially - and if you can do so, then you may be convinced. If not, then not. But there is (I believe) no 'method' for doing this - as Arkle said, we much each 'quarry out' our own unique path - by intuition, study, trial and error.

28 June 2016 at 10:21

Blogger William Wildblood said...

I think there is something, at least implicit, in Christianity to suggest this movement towards a higher consciousness, and that is the difference between Adam before the Fall, fallen Man and Christ. Christ was not just Christ. He was also the representation of how a perfect man, one with God, could be. So the journey is depicted in the Bible from unself-conscious oneness to conscious separateness to conscious oneness. It's there if you look though admittedly not stated outright.

28 June 2016 at 12:22

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

Adding to William's persepctive - Mormonism focuses upfront on life as a matter of spiritual progression, of which this can be seen as an example. Eastern Orthodoxty focuses on theosis - which also involves a tranformaton of consciousness. Even Protestantism has contained the idea of sanctification - which amounts to much the same. All of these spiritual ideas are about a change in our way of thinking, being, relating to the world.

28 June 2016 at 14:07