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Anonymous dearieme said...

"... by the buildup of neurotoxins in the environment... ": is there evidence for that claim?

29 February 2012 at 00:46

Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is interesting that concerns about a decline in intelligence have been expressed for quite some time. Take, for example, this comment by Aldous Huxley in 1962 (at about 27:15):
http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/VideoTest/hux2.ram

29 February 2012 at 03:09

Blogger Gyan said...

Curiosity is NOT a traditional virtue and especially the Christian ethics strongly warns against idle curiosity.

So why do scientists study 'g' and possible dysgenic effects thereof.

What is the context?

29 February 2012 at 05:35

Blogger Valkea said...

So many negative and decaying things in modernity becomes now better understood.

29 February 2012 at 05:59

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@dearieme - not that I know of, not convincing evidence anyway.

@Anon - they date back at least to Galton, which is soon after the demographic revolution became apparent. The logic makes it almost inevitable.

@Gyan - there are many reasons to study intelligence, which is why it is such an old domain of enquiry.

A single IQ test done on a cohort of children is significantly correlated with subsequent life expectancy, health, height, chance of obesity, educational attainment, salary, criminality and so on.

And IQ differs between people and groups and is substantially hereditary.

Of course there are other important factors, such as personality - which is also different in persons and groups and substantially hereditary.

My own interest in intelligence is related to the role in creative genius but also to modernity, atheism, Leftism/ political correctness - I have argued that these are 'clever silly' phenomena, associated with a high IQ elite.

http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2009/05/disadvantages-of-high-iq.html

29 February 2012 at 06:26

Blogger Steve Sailer said...

Does the military find a worsening in reaction times?

29 February 2012 at 08:18

Blogger Gyan said...

Elite would be of above-normal intelligence, by definition.
Once the elite were religious, now they are secular.

The various correlations of IQ with other things, potentialities, probabilities of this and that could have hardly anything to do with spread of atheism.

Indeed, the study of these correlations is exactly what could be called Idle Curiosity.

29 February 2012 at 08:24

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@SS - I do't know - but Silverman comments that the decline being measured in *this* data set seemed to occur before the mid-20th century. I would guess any military data would be from the second half of the twentieth century.

29 February 2012 at 09:39

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Gyan - be careful. If you regard an interest in intelligence as 'idle' and are consistent with this line of criticism you will not just throw out IQ research but all of science, all of technology, all of philosophy, art, politics, good company and good cheer - and most of what nearly everybody is doing nearly all of the time (including, of course, blog commenting!).

In an ultimate sense you are correct; and the highest path is indeed that of ascetic monasticism (followed by the via positiva of marriage and family) - but are you really willing consistently to regard as idle and discard all other activities than this?

29 February 2012 at 09:45

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

Comment from M.A.Woodley

It must also be noted that reaction times give rise to a Jensen effect, which means that the sorts of IQ subtests that discriminate best between individual differences in reaction times are also the ones that are the most g-loaded (Jensen, 1998). Meisenberg (2010) found in the NLSY that the subtests on which dysgenic fertility differentials were greatest were also the ones exhibiting the highest g-loadings, hence there is an apparent Jensen effect on dysgenesis. Jensen effects also exist on test heritabilities and other genetic or partially genetic variables such as inbreeding depression scores (Rushton, 1999) and fluctuating asymmetry (Prokosch, Yeo & Miller, 2005). This strongly reinforces Charlton's assertion that Silverman's finding provides the first unambiguous evidence for dysgenesis on g, as the presence of a Jensen effect indicates the existence of a genetic nexus amongst these variables.
The most comprehensive study published to date on whether the Flynn effect is a Jensen effect is te Nijenhuis (In press). Here it is clearly demonstrated that across studies in the US and the Netherlands the Flynn effect is an anti-Jensen effect, as it is biggest on the sorts of abilities which have low g-loadings (and hence lower heritabilities). An implication of this is that dysgenesis and the Flynn effect can co-occur as they concern different sources of variance in tests of cognitive ability, and are associated with different causes.
Consistent with this are the results of a recent temporal correlation analysis, in which estimated historical gains and losses in Western genotypic IQ along with the Flynn effect were considered in the context of assorted social and scientific variables (Woodley, in press). It has been found that genotypic IQ estimates based on an increase between 1455 and 1850 and a decrease of between 1 and 2 points per generation between 1850 and 2005 best fitted Huebner's (2005) data on innovation rates, which show a similar pattern (with peak innovation rates occurring in the 1870's followed by decline). The Flynn effect seems to trend in parallel with the growth in GDP (PPP) per capita, as both experienced a sharp upwards trend in the beginning of the 20th century. The strongest predictor of the Flynn effect in regression and path analysis was decreases in a common factor of illiteracy and homicide, which suggests an influence from life history (i.e. lower time preferences and diminished impulsivity).

(continued)

29 February 2012 at 18:04

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

MA WOodley continued...

This indicates that whilst high genotypic intelligence (i.e. g) is necessary for maintaining high innovation rates, the Flynn effect has been a much more significant factor in the generation of wealth. The Flynn effect might therefore have been associated with the acquisition and proliferation of the sorts of specialized, low-heritability cognitive skills which permit people to seek out narrow socio-cultural niches and exploit them in such a way that raises the carrying capacity of the environment and also the aggregate economic efficiency of the population.

References

Huebner, J. (2005). A possible declining trend for worldwide innovation. Technological Forecasting and Social Change, 72, 980–986.

Jensen, A. R. (1998). The g-Factor: The Science of Mental Ability. Westprot, CT: Praeger.

Meisenberg, G. (2010). The reproduction of intelligence. Intelligence, 38, 220–230.

Prokosch, M., Yeo, R., & Miller, G. (2005). Intelligence tests with higher g-loadings show higher correlations with body symmetry: Evidence for a general fitness factor mediated by developmental stability. Intelligence, 33, 203–213.

Rushton, J. P. (1999). Secular gains in IQ not related to the g factor and inbreeding depression—Unlike Black–White differences: A reply to Flynn. Personality and Individual Differences, 26, 381–389.


te Nijenhuis, J. (In press). The Flynn effect, group differences and g loadings. Personality and Individual Differences. doi:10.1016/j.paid.2011..12.023

Woodley, M. A. (In press). The social and scientific temporal correlates of genotypic intelligence and the Flynn effect. Intelligence. doi:10.1016/j.intell.2011.12.002.

29 February 2012 at 18:04

Anonymous Cantillon Blog said...

Flynn effect related also to left hemisphere utilization bias (Mcgilchrist) and the societal mania for sorting people based on tests, and as a result for education to become a mechanism for coaching people to do better on these, at the expense of all else?

29 February 2012 at 21:12

Blogger gwern said...

Pretty bizarre. A 1800s-now comparison should show increases, because stamping out iron and iodine deficiencies should be worth anywhere from 0 to 20 points depending on how deficient a population was before supplementation started in the 1920s and later. Are we supposed to believe dysgenics has more than reversed that and all other possible improvements?

29 February 2012 at 21:35

Blogger Joseph said...

If A is correlated by B and B is correlated with C that does not mean A is correlated with C.

For example, voting for Obama in 2008 was correlated with living in states where the people have higher measured IQs but that doesn't mean Obama voters are brilliant.

1 March 2012 at 02:22

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Joseph - yes, it is an ecological phenomenon ('the ecological fallacy' is a version of it).

But there is more than a century's worth of evidence connecting reaction times with general intelligence. At the same time, nothing in science, or in biology, especially not in human psychology is logically entailed.

But if reaction times-IQ is rejected as scientifically insecure, then to be consistent in the application of this standard of proof, that would lead to the rejection of a very large amount of other science too - pretty much the whole of psychology.

1 March 2012 at 05:46

Blogger Gyan said...

bgc,
I am not arguing for asceticism nor for Puritanism.

My point is specific to the IQ research. Essentially my suspicion is that people in this field do not think with the Church. This is important since it is not physics but a science studying humans. An error in the basic anthropology has potentially disastrous effect on the conclusions.

1 March 2012 at 06:25

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

Comment from Scott Locklin:

"Two words nobody wants to talk about: "outbreeding selection." Also, Eugenics was practised by the masses until 1950 or so."

1 March 2012 at 07:11

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Scott L - If by eugenics you mean selective infanticide of abnormal newborns, I think you are probably correct to a significant extent.

However, the phenomenon described here probably began from about 1800 when child mortality rates began to drop. Until then almost all the children of the poor would die (from infections or starvation) and/ or fail to reproduce - as Gregory Clark describes in Farewell to Alms. Over a few dozen generations the population in many stable agricultural societies became almost replaced by children of the 'middle classes' of crafstmen and the literate.

After this there was a collapse of fertility among the wealthy, educated and intelligent - driven by developments in contraception and greater use of abortion - which continues.

1 March 2012 at 07:18

Anonymous kristor said...

I note that in all the tests, men had faster reaction times than women. Does this mean men have more g than women?

1 March 2012 at 08:33

Blogger Gyan said...

Why was the Farewell to Arms phenomena
restricted to NW Europe?

1 March 2012 at 08:58

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Gyan - I don't think it was restricted to NW Europe - I presume it applied to East Asia, for example.

But it may be that only England has a full enough historical record to be able to measure it.

1 March 2012 at 14:18

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Kristor - yes, men have higher g, on average, in most populations (although, of course, it would be possible to engineer selective scenarios in which thsi was not the case).

Silverman comments that the sample of women (much smaller than that of men) was likely to be exceptionally selective for faster reaction times - the reactions times for Galton's women are way-way shorter than in modern populations - so the average M-F difference was probably larger than Galton measured.

1 March 2012 at 14:22

Blogger J said...

I dont know if it is relevant but fast paced movies and computer games were supposed to make the new generation much faster on the uptake and reduce reaction time.

I find that early movies are terribly slow and over-acted, while moder movies are exceedingly fast so that it makes it difficult for me to follow. However the environmental neurotoxin explanation seems difficult to prove.

1 March 2012 at 15:39

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@J - Silverman mentions this theory in the paper - but this doesn't really doesn't have anything to do with intelligence variations or with reaction times.

Intelligence is mostly hereditary but can be dragged-down by significant illnesses, diseases etc, and reaction times the same.

There is no known way to enhance real, underlying 'g' (distinct from improving performance on specific types of cognitive tests - which is itself much more difficult to do than most people realize).

The history of claims to have to enhanced general intelligence by particular interventions is a history of environmental irreproducible results, selective reporting, incompetence, dishonesty, wishful thinking, fraud and mis-representation.

See The Raising of Intelligence by HH Spitz.

1 March 2012 at 16:03

Anonymous dearieme said...

"Over a few dozen generations the population in many stable agricultural societies became almost replaced by children of the 'middle classes' of crafstmen and the literate": may I just point out, Bruce, that this phenomenon considerably increases the chances that you and I are mainly of Norman descent?

1 March 2012 at 19:19

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@dearieme - that kind of comment will get you banned...

But seriously folks, I wonder. As I read Clark's argument, it does not seem to apply to the aristocracy (who were Normans) - the men of whom suffered tremendous mortality rates from war, tournaments etc - as to the middle classes; who were Anglo-Saxons.

But probably that level of precision is not possible. The main take home message I got was that in the old days differential mortality was much more important than differential fertility.

1 March 2012 at 19:40

Blogger Chase Saunders said...

It is theorized that reaction time in older individuals is due to larger amount of information accumulated -- I think a neuroscientist would say the increased noise from accumulated background information would guarantee a slower response time.

It stands to reason this isn't directly due to age, but simply due to the total load of information accumulated by an individual brain. It also stands to reason that modern people accumulate much higher volumes of information at earlier ages. Thus, this could also be a phenotopic, rather than a genetic, phenomenon.

4 March 2012 at 15:52

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@CS - I disagree. I think that g reaches its maximum immediately upon full maturity of the central nervous system - after that it may stay the same or decline, but cannot increase.

4 March 2012 at 16:57

Blogger Chase Saunders said...

@bgc I was not suggesting that g (general intelligence) was rising due to acquired information load. I was suggesting that response time could be decreasing because of it.

4 March 2012 at 21:53

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@CS - okay - I think I get your point.

But I don't know if it is true - and don't know how we would even conceptualise the brain accumulating information, leave aside measure it. It seems more likely that reaction times decline with age because of reducing general intelligence - or perhaps that general intelligence is actually something like the speed of processing which is crudely measured by reaction times.

4 March 2012 at 22:16

Blogger Chase Saunders said...

@bgc, I think both neuroscience and information theory offer good models that can both quantify measured information and explain why response time slows for computational reasons.

This video discusses the slow down in response times as a function of noise due to accumulated learnin'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyPrL0cmJRs

5 March 2012 at 02:11

Anonymous Andrzej T. said...

Have they considered the devastating effect that chronic undersleeping has on reaction times? In Victorian era they slept like 9 h/day, now it's more like 7, perhaps even worse for intelligent people.

http://www.businessinsider.com/successful-people-who-barely-sleep-2012-9?op=1

14 July 2013 at 22:06

Blogger Tucker Goodrich said...

"Auditory and visual reaction time in athletes, healthy controls, and patients of type 1 diabetes mellitus: A comparative study" 2006

http://rssdi.in/new/diabetesbulletin/2006/july/IntJDiabDevCtries263112-2695411_072914.pdf

2 April 2016 at 00:11

Blogger Balazs Varga said...

While I do agree that the general IQ has dropped, I am not so sure that reaction time is what intelligence is best measured with.

Is intelligence the speed at which we can detect and react to sensory input? Than I'm sure there are a lot of animal life on Earth way more intelligent than us.

Than why are not top athletes also the top scientist? What about care racing. Does this mean Nascar is where geniouses go?

2 April 2016 at 21:37

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@BV - Tere is a vast literature n using reaction time to measure intelligence going back to the late 1800s and forward to Jensen and nowadays Ian Deary's group in Edinburgh.

The great advantage of sRT is that 1. it is an objective physiological measure with a ratio scale measure,

http://iqpersonalitygenius.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/the-ordinal-scale-of-iq-could-be.html

and 2. the data goes back a long way.

3 April 2016 at 07:54

Blogger rumpole5 said...

I have a Juris Doctor post graduate degree. Yet, when I watch a Shakespeare play that was written to appeal to an unwashed common Londoner, standing in the open air Globe Theater, the play's dialogue dances on my comprehension horizon. One does not need a reaction test to know that some sort of significant cognitive decline has occurred.

17 January 2018 at 13:11

Blogger Snidely Whiplash said...

I can think of three other mechanisms that would account for the change.
Massive kill-off of the upper classes in WWI and II
Population replacement by Africans and sub-continentals
Selection bias in the original cohort.

17 January 2018 at 23:08

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

Snidely - Check out

http://mouseutopia.blogspot.co.uk/

and word search reaction times on this blog

18 January 2018 at 06:35

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@rumpole - It is indeed striking. During the theatre season, the Elizabethans in London would apparently attend two or three plays per week - they were probably the most experienced and sophisticated theatre audience in human history. Which is why they elicited Shakespeare (and others) - they knew the difference between levels of theatrical excellence, they could appreciate Shakespeare at his best, and knew that he had improved from the early plays (which made the improvement worthwhile).

18 January 2018 at 06:52