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Anonymous AlexT said...

Wonderfully written Bruce!

17 October 2014 at 06:32

Anonymous Adam G. said...

Hear, hear. The fewer limits we have, the more we chafe at the ones that remain.

17 October 2014 at 15:15

Blogger jgress said...

Wasn't the Fall of Numenor the only instance in Tolkien where the One intervened directly in the history of the world? If there are others I'd be interested to know.

In his letters, Tolkien lays special stress on the Downfall of Numenor as the "missing link" connecting the story of the Ring with the legends of the Elder Days.

20 October 2014 at 02:19

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@jgress - Yes that is correct.

My Tolkien blog, The Notion Club papers, is about an unfinished novel of that name which was a follow up to The Lost Road where the Numenor legend first emerged.Tolkien's original idea was as you say, to use Numenor as the link between Elder days and modern - and in the Notion Club Papers, this was to be achieved by a kind of psychic link between Numenor and a group of Oxford academics similar to The Inklings.

The the NCP was to be the framing device which introduced the Lord of the Rings - so the reader would first read NCP, and this would explain the origin of the legends which would then be presented as LotR.

So Numenor was intended to carry a heavy narrative burden - in the end the idea was pushed into the background, but remains in a vestigial form.

20 October 2014 at 05:31

Blogger PhoenixUK said...

Eru in fact intervened several times
1) he gave life to the Dwarves created by Aule who was inpatient for the emergence of elves and men
2) when Luthien pleaded for the life of Beren to Namo, he spoke to Manwe who spoke to Eru who allowed Beren to be resurrected but at the cost of Luthiens immortality. In this way, maian elven and human blood mixed.
3) Eru removed the Undying Lands, changed the world from flat to round, destroyed Numenor and saved the Valar from having to fight God's children when they invaded
4) when the One Ring abandoned Golllum, Eru insured it reached Bilbo
5) when the plan of the Valar (to use Maiar disguised as wizards to oppose Sauron) fell apart upon Gandalf death, Eru intervened by resurrecting him and sending him back stronger
6) possible He also made sure that when Gollum took the Ring from Frodo at Mt Doom, Gollum fell into the volcano

18 August 2015 at 05:51

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

Yes - Although 4 and 6 could have been done by the Valar.

18 August 2015 at 06:08