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Blogger a_probst said...

I Haven't listened to the opera yet, but that overture alone puts him in the league with Tchaikovsky, Sibelius, Smetana, and Dvořák. Malcolm Sargent avoids the pitfall-for-the-tasteless of trying to make it sound 'cute' and 'funny'. The result sounds so modern as to make me conscious of Sullivan's having been once a flesh and blood human being rather than an historical fossil. (Mitch Miller achieved a similar effect for me with his 1987 recordings with the London Symphony Orchestra of several Gershwin pieces. I could now imagine Gershwin in the same universe as Copland and Thomson.)

Certainly there are more stories that could be told about G&S than were related in Topsy-Turvy (2001), not least their later feud through which they continued to collaborate.

It might be amusing if someone were to make a movie about them in which Sullivan's music is only heard in scenes of rehearsals or performances. The rest of the music soundtrack would use music that may have influenced him, i.e. Beethoven's King Stefan incidental music, Schubert's Rosamunde incidental music (George Grove and Sullivan unearthed its score on a trip to Vienna in 1867), an Offenbach operetta whose title escapes me; as well as music he may have influenced such as the first movement of Sibelius' Third Symphony.

And I can't be the only one to have noticed the similarity between "Ah, leave not to pine" (composed 1876) and the "Hymn to the Moon" in Dvořák's Rusalka (composed 1899). All that was needed to complete the resemblance was the moon's answering back in a tenor voice (at least it would have given an excuse to keep the melody going a little longer).

28 March 2018 at 10:00

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@ap - Sullivan had great musical gifts - as is obvious to anyone, but was recognised at the time, e.g.

"Earlier on in my year at the Conservatorium, Mr. Leach had sent me a copy of Sullivan's Light of the World, which had just been produced at the 1873 Birmingham Festival. I showed it to Dr. Papperitz, one of my teachers, who took it home to look through. When he brought it back, he asked me to play over some of the numbers, and we had a long talk about it. He was disappointed with the work, and thought it unworthy of the young composer, who, a few years earlier, had shown, during his studies at Leipzig, a real genius for composition. 'But you Englishmen, who come here and show such promise, become utterly spoiled when you get back to commercial England,' Dr. Papperitz complained. 'Compare Sullivan with Brahms. Of the two I think Sullivan had the greater natural musical talent; but Brahms will not write a [p. 22:] note he doesn't think worthy of his gift, and after he had been acclaimed by Schumann successor to Beethoven, and could command big money for his work, he quietly retired into a country place, where for two years he diligently studied how to improve his style, so as to be able to perfectly express the musical thoughts that surged within him. As for Sullivan' he went on, 'he settles in London, and writes and publishes things quite unworthy of his genius. He is petted by royalty, mixes in aristocratic circles, acquires expensive tastes which oblige him to prostitute his talents for moneymaking works. As a consequence, his musical ideas become more common, his modes of expression deteriorate, and England and the world are robbed of the fruit of his Godgiven gifts." Source can be seen at http://www.gsarchive.net/newsletters/trumpet_bray/html/tb19_5.html

But, I don't think Sullivan squandered his talent - he achieved the highest level in the genre which suited his nature. His musical language was derivative; but his use of it was anything-but derivative. Thus he is one of the great minor composers - like William Boyce (who wrote using Handel's language).

One can find passages in the Savoy Operas where Sullivan deliberately references other composers' work (quoates from Wagner, pastiches of Handel etc) - but that isn't what makes him good! It is the actuality of what Sullivan did, rather than his sources.

For example, "This Helmet, I suppose" from Princess Ida is an obvious Handel pastiche, but (combined with Gilbert's superbly witty lyrics) the resulting song is first rate of its kind - rather than sounding like stale century-old copy, the song is as fresh as a new coat of paint!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNqMXsuMQVQ

28 March 2018 at 11:29

Blogger a_probst said...

Funny, I was going to say in my posting above that English composers are underappreciated.

"...he achieved the highest level in the genre which suited his nature."

Ralph Vaughn Williams in Who Wants the English Composer? (1912):

"Art for art's sake has never flourished in England. We are often called inartistic because our art is unconscious. Our drama and poetry, like our laws and our constitution, have evolved by accident while we thought we were doing something else, and so it will be with music. The composer must not shut himself up and think about art, he must live with his fellows and make his art an expression of the whole life of the community – if we seek for art we shall not find it."

(Actually I've not read his whole article; I got the quote off the back of a vinyl recording of his Symphony No. 5.)

29 March 2018 at 03:00