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Blogger The Crow said...

Truth is the necessary ingredient for mental health and wellbeing. Without it, there is distortion and delusion.
Honesty is not optional.

12 July 2011 at 18:00

Anonymous Brett Stevens said...

Well stated, bgc. This joins the echelon of favorite posts of yours that I keep in the back of my head.

It seems to me that one has the option to believe that life and the cosmos are participants in an order. Like all patterns, it is not tangible, and so the proles hate it because to them it's trickery and witchcraft. But clearly there is some form of order.

This leads in turn to the fundamental question Plato asked: what is the origin of this order? At this point we are talking about a new kind of science: one of comparing patterns and deriving answers from the degree of compatibility between them.

This allows us to see (as Plato did) how the supernatural is not far removed from nature, but instead an underlying principle as logical as gravity.

From here, it is entirely rational to accept a larger order than the material, and to posit that we can -- in bits and pieces -- understand it through careful study.

13 July 2011 at 20:01

Anonymous Wm Jas said...

You say that we must believe that truth is actually true, not merely useful -- but you justify that not with a philosophical argument that truth actually is transcendental, but with the pragmatic argument that such a belief (true or not) has a useful effect on the behavior of scientists.

At least at the time you wrote this, it seems that your embrace of religious/transcendental beliefs was still pragmatic at its core.

15 July 2011 at 02:10

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@WmJas - I think it was more that Science claimed to be pragmatic, but turned out to be indifferent to outcomes.

It turned out that science was more concerned to reject transcendental values than to do good science.

It was more a sociology of science kind of argument.

Also this was an approximate record of a path to conversion - logical or not. Nobody is converted by an argument, especially not a single argument.

(There is infinite scope for prevaricating and quibbling - it is enjoyable - and many people get stuck there and stop seeking. In particular, people want matters to be deep and dark when the answers are easy and obvious)

15 July 2011 at 07:00

Anonymous S. Thompson said...

'day-to-day petty dishonesties which characterize modern professional science'

bbc,

Can you please give examples of the above?

16 July 2011 at 14:14

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

Start here: http://medicalhypotheses.blogspot.com/2009/10/truthfulness-in-science-should-be-iron.html

16 July 2011 at 15:20