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Anonymous Anonymous said...

You raise an important point that tends to go unnoticed.

Richard Dawkins mentions this issue in his book The Extended Phenotype:

http://scilib.narod.ru/Biology/Dawkins/Phenotype/Dawkins_R.-Extended_Phenotype.html#11

"What do we really mean by the phenotypic effect of a gene? A smattering of molecular biology may suggest one kind of answer. Each gene codes for the synthesis of one protein chain. In a proximal sense that protein is its phenotypic effect. More distal effects like eye colour or behaviour are, in their turn, effects of the protein functioning as an enzyme. Such a simple account does not, however, bear much searching analysis. The “effect” of any would-be cause can be given meaning only in terms of a comparison, even if only an implied comparison, with at least one alternative cause. It is strictly incomplete to speak of blue eyes as “the effect” of a given gene G1. If we say such a thing, we really imply the potential existence of at least one alternative allele, call it G2, and at least one alternative phenotype, P2, in this case, say, brown eyes. Implicitly we are making a statement about a relation between a pair of genes {G1, G2} and a pair of distinguishable phenotypes {P1, P2}, in an environment which either is constant or varies in a non-systematic way so that its contribution randomizes out. “Environment”, in that last clause, is taken to include all the genes at other loci that must be present in order for P1 or P2 to be expressed. Our statement is that there is a statistical tendency for individuals with G1 to be more likely than individuals with G2 to show P1 (rather than P2). Of course there is no need to demand that P1 should always be associated with G1, nor that G1 should always lead to P1: in the real world outside logic textbooks, the simple concepts of “necessary” and “sufficient” must usually be replaced by statistical equivalents.

Such an insistence that phenotypes are not caused by genes, but only phenotypic differences caused by gene differences (Jensen 1961; Hinde 1975) may seem to weaken the concept of genetic determination to the point where it ceases to be interesting. This is far from the case, at least if the subject of our interest is natural selection, because natural selection too is concerned with differences (Chapter 2). Natural selection is the process by which some alleles out-propagate their alternatives, and the instruments by which they {196} achieve this are their phenotypic effects. It follows that phenotypic effects can always be thought of as relative to alternative phenotypic effects.

It is customary to speak as if differences always mean differences between individual bodies or other discrete “vehicles”. The purpose of the next three chapters is to show that we can emancipate the concept of the phenotypic difference from that of the discrete vehicle altogether, and this is the meaning of the title “extended phenotype”. I shall show that the ordinary logic of genetic terminology leads inevitably to the conclusion that genes can be said to have extended phenotypic effects, effects which need not be expressed at the level of any particular vehicle."

18 March 2013 at 17:18

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

You may be interested by the Appendix on Systems Theory to my book from a decade ago (before I was a Christian and a Reactionary!)

http://www.hedweb.com/bgcharlton/modernization-imperative.html

I was much interested by these very general matters of selection, but took most of my ideas from David L Hull (replicators and interactors) rather than Dawkins.

18 March 2013 at 17:34

Anonymous Matthew C. said...

"A pretty big set of necessary assumptions...

A pretty big class of problems which are routinely ignored."

Ah, but it has to be. Or otherwise, God is real, therefore life has purpose, therefore we are NOT to rut around like the beasts of the field and there are actual expectations on us.

18 March 2013 at 18:38