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Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@jason - It depends what you mean by 'art'.

I would say science differs from art in aiming primarily at truth, while art aims at beauty. Truth and beauty can be distinguished, although they are not divisible.

21 October 2022 at 16:07

Blogger Alleyna said...

This is very evident in modern medical guidelines, such as the WHO, USPSTF and CTFPHC. No experts allowed on panels. No dialogue with relevant experts. Nephrologists writing breast and prostate cancer screening guidelines. Pooling any old RCT they can get their hands on and ignoring decades of modern screening program data because it is “only observational”. And they are untouchable.

21 October 2022 at 22:29

Anonymous Lady Mermaid said...

An interesting article was recently published documenting that transformation of science as an inquisitive discipline that encouraged personal verification to an authoritarian bureaucracy that brokers no dissent. https://www.palladiummag.com/2022/10/10/the-transformations-of-science/

Ultimately, science became corrupted when it stopped aligning w/ God and tried to be its own master. William Wildblood has talked about how our modern technology has led to spiritual loss. It's not that science and technology are bad in of themselves. In fact, mastering chaos is a primary aspect of creation. However, it must be done in alignment w/ God. Otherwise, it's a form of witchcraft. Trans kids, never ending peck shots, and the transhumanism agenda are some of the vilest forms of black magic even if they do not use spells and incantations.

22 October 2022 at 01:17

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@LM - I find it worrying that people in 2022 announce that there are problems in science, as if this was something recent. It suggests to me that the people who write such pieces haven't a clue.

As I say, this is not science problems, this is post-science.

22 October 2022 at 06:57

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@A - Those are some of the symptoms - the underlying *cause* is that they are not even trying to know the truth.

22 October 2022 at 06:58

Blogger No Longer Reading said...

Good post. I've read similar things that you've written about these subjects, but I don't remember if I've read this exact post before.

I would suppose that geniuses can bypass the need for apprenticeship by piecing together tacit knowledge on their own, often of a different kind than the traditional tacit knowledge. For instance, the example of Newton's mastery of mathematics primarily from his study of books.

And the concept of tacit knowledge goes beyond only science. For instance, what people in the 18th and 19th century meant by things like "democracy" or "the rights of man" is not what people now mean by them. And once that tacit knowledge is lost, it's very hard to regain. Even people who know that we've lost it and can partially recover it by reading old books, that's not the same as being part of a living tradition.

22 October 2022 at 16:59

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@NLR - "geniuses can bypass the need for apprenticeship"

I suspect it's more likely to be an extreme compression of apprenticeship.

22 October 2022 at 18:02