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Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

FROM ARAKAWA: The posts linking to William Arkle are interesting, although the question is raised as to how much of this insight you can take away at the end of the day, and carry it with you without contradicting prior doctrinal understanding. This, I'm not sure how to digest; below are just thoughts.

For example, Arkle clearly wants to see both masculine and feminine (motherly) attributes to God; his picture of a Divine Father/Mother is clear and relatable, but incredibly wooly as a logical definition. (He shifts back and forth from God as a single entity (androgynous?), to a pair of beings ("divine parents"), whichever is convenient at a given moment.)

Likewise the notion of a Son/Daughter of God is also incredibly wooly -- to the extent of not being wrong in any specific way. (From my previous comments, you can guess that I don't think androgyny is inherently a self-contradictory / unviable idea, but for something like this you would have to explain why / in what ways Christ would be a Son and in what ways he would be a Daughter -- and if it's not important at any point, why not just call Him the Son of God and be done with it, as He was clearly incarnate as a man?)

As just an example of what I'm talking about -- the Old Testament personage of Divine Wisdom is traditionally identified as either a poetic epithet for Christ or God the Son, or just a fictional personification -- but this is in the course of a passage describing a feminine being who was "set up from everlasting":

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+8&version=KJV

The mystical school following from Solovyov, based on this, tried to spin Sophia off as a separate being or person of the Trinity (the heresy of Sophiology); whereas one other opinion I found states that, then, at face value, Christ would be a feminine or androgynous being in the dis-incarnate aspect described in that Old Testament passage, and male in the context of His incarnation on Earth. Whatever you may think of these notions, they are at least specific enough to discuss using specific arguments.

22 February 2014 at 06:41

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Arakawa

If Arkle was a Christian, it was only-just - Christ was not, it seems, near the centre of his thought.

The way I regard him is that he was (presumably) raised as a Christian, rejected it, then began to rebuild it from his own mystical, revelatory knowledge derived from meditation and creative work (writing, painting, music). He didn't read many other mystical writers, apparently, and he does not use Scripture.

Arkle went briefly to art college and had, I think, been a naval officer and trained as an engineer. He had an upper class accent, was strikingly handsome, and married (second time) what we English call a 'horsey' upper class wife. They made a living from buying and renovating houses, and (when I knew of them) he lived in a big house on a hill (which has been a small monastery and had a chapel) with his family (the children were home schooled, didn't mix much with the village kids) and built a kind of spiritual bubble around this house - he was visited there by various disciples who had somehow heard of him.

What seems to me to be going on is that Arkle had some very clearly genuine visions or insights into fundamental reality - which he then expressed in a very personalized and idiosyncratic style - and linked up using metaphors from his own training as a engineer and in ways which seemed systemize them.

So there is some material of extraordinary value in there - but the bulk of what surrounds it I would regard as a failed-attempt to make overall sense of what he knew - these marvellous and clear but isolated insights.

Coming to read Arkle now, some thirtyfive years after the first encounter, I find that his few but deep revelatory insights speak very directly to what I seem to need. The rest of it I just skim across.

I don't think his stuff is dangerous (to Christians) because there isn't much spiritual pride in evidence - he wasn't trying to make a new religion, he was a 'guru' rather than a leader - although he has the self-confidence of the genuine mystic.

But I am of course reading from a Mormon theological perspective or bias - with its great emphasis and focus on family, relationships, and process - and it may well be that Arkle's general set-up is just too alien to be of value to a more Catholic or Protestant perspective.

But from my perspective, it seems as if Arkle glimpsed for himself, and fully understood and felt, and faithfully reported - a few core aspects of the reality described in (Mormon) Christianity - and these reports are just what is most needed (by me, now) to understand and grasp a few of those things which I most struggle with, but most need to know - to know them by feeling.

22 February 2014 at 07:10

Anonymous George said...

I don't think the idea of a heavenly mother is foreign at all to Christianity. It is embraced within Catholicism by the spirituality surrounding Mary. She is the Heavenly Mother! The Mother of God! She is the Queen of Heaven!

It is only the protestants who seem to reject this influence of feminine, as far as I can tell? It seems this was wrong to do - and Joseph Smith fixed the missing piece. While the Mormons separated the idea of heavenly mother from Mary's personage, but embrace the idea in theology.

22 February 2014 at 15:03

Anonymous George said...

This is a beautiful and mystical piece of art:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Diego_Velázquez_012.jpg

Mary as our Heavenly Mother, being crowned as Queen. The angels are shown as children too - His first children!

22 February 2014 at 15:07

Anonymous Arakawa said...

Arkle strikes me as sort of intermediate between pure New Age and Christianity. i.e. he certainly gives more value to Christ than a typical New Age thinker (who might even acknowledge Christ, but in a way that makes Him entirely unimportant).

Arkle's idea of friendship as the highest and not lowest state of affairs is well supported by how earthly relationships work -- flourishing relations of parent/child, teacher/student, elder-brother/younger-brother must converge to friendship in eternity. The hierarchical aspects of parenthood / instruction / (debatably, marriage) are time-limited: children eventually grow up, students eventually learn their lesson, at which point either the relation transitions into more of a friendship of equals, or it withers away entirely.

"I don't think his stuff is dangerous (to Christians) because there isn't much spiritual pride in evidence - he wasn't trying to make a new religion, he was a 'guru' rather than a leader - although he has the self-confidence of the genuine mystic. "

That's an interesting criterion to gauge it, I suppose. Distinction of spirits is obviously approached differently in New Age ("whatever makes you feel good") than in the more pessimistic views as advocated in Orthodoxy (someone like Seraphim Rose, on my reading, would very likely regard someone like Arkle as demonically inspired or, at best, merely engaging in a play of imagination). This is neither of the two.

22 February 2014 at 17:32

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Ara - The reason I eventually moved away from Seraphim Rose was that the situation depicted seemed to be impossible - once the Orthodox societies had gone, once the last Tsar had been killed, once the spiritual lineage had been broken.

Because of original sin, humans are regarded as fundamentally rotten; because of the mortal situation demons are more powerful and pervasive than the workings of the Holy Ghost - thus we are in a situation where we are incapable of helping ourselves because the combination of sin, pride and demonic deception utterly overwhelm our feeble intrinsic powers of discernment; yet we have nobody to help us (or, more exactly, there *may* be helpers - human or spiritual - but we *cannot* know who is a genuine helper and who a demonic deceiver).

In the end, I cannot believe that a loving father would leave his children in such a situation - and the situation almost irresistibly leads to the sin of despair (hope-less-ness) which again cannot be right.

So I conclude that Orthodoxy worked in Orthodox societies - but does not work any more (or rather, Orthodoxy does not work according to a traditional Orthodox analysis).

Mormonism, on the other hand, regards original sin as an erroneous misreading of scripture, and Man as of the same kind as God - therefore we do have innate power to discern good; and we can work *with* the Holy Ghost.

This might sound superficially Pelagian (or merely wishful thinking) - but this is refuted by the history of Mormons and Mormonism.

Arkle's doctrines I regard as a kind of garbled Mormonism - like somebody who has perhaps 'seen' some of the same kind of things as Joseph Smith - but Arkle had an incomplete (hence distorted) vision - albeit with greater specific detail in some of its parts.

Therefore, in principle, Arkle's mystical visions could be valuable to Mormons, on the basis of the last words in the Articles of Faith: "We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things."

22 February 2014 at 17:58

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

FROM ARAKAWA

"or, more exactly, there *may* be helpers - human or spiritual - but we *cannot* know who is a genuine helper and who a demonic deceiver"

I think the issue here is whether there is such a thing as partial, or garbled, or particular revelation. If one's expectation on this point is binary -- that either something is communicated from God, is unmistakeable and precisely dictated, so you may as well write it up as Scripture, or it's an elaborate demonic deception no matter how many good fruits you may appear to be able to extract from it....

Orthodoxy seems to have been sliding towards this binary in psychological terms, even though the way the tradition is constituted doesn't really support it. Either -- effectively -- nothing is left that can nourish a sense of living in a spiritual as well as earthly reality, or there is a Petri dish of partial revelations that are mistakenly elevated to dogma. For instance, something like the tollhouse visions are clearly an imperfect metaphor at best, and at worst downright wrong, but it was retained in the tradition as something with pedagogical value, but not reliable enough to teach as dogma. Even that is an implicit recognition that there can be 'spiritual experiences' which have some truthful content or value in spite of being inaccurate or unreliable.

I think the problem here is that spiritual experiences which occur without any contribution from the human imagination are incredibly rare, whereas spiritual experiences which consist in content being contributed from outside into an imaginative picture that a person sets up are rather common. The Orthodox tendency is to treat all of the latter as demonic, because the Orthodox monastic path can be accomplished entirely without the use of imagination, and therefore the extensive monastic literature treats on it exclusively as a negative phenomenon (how demons can use the imagination to lead someone astray). However, this is not a full answer to the questions of day-to-day existence outside a monastery.

For instance, an author who wants to write stories in accord with Heaven has to not only use the imagination, but rely on it as a medium of inspiration, and therefore being able to distinguish spirits that act through the imagination -- and eventually to form some basis on which to trust a particular source. If such a skill is impossible, then all fiction writing whatsoever becomes questionable; if such a skill can be readily practiced, then it can be practiced by other people besides writers, which allows for the possibility of personal inspiration/revelation on a large number of occasions.

22 February 2014 at 20:57