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Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Love they neighbour as thyself' - love the natural world - the beings in it - connect - tell them you love them from your heart no matter if they are animal, vegetable or mineral, this or the other side of death - love it all.

Barry

11 August 2020 at 12:32

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Barry - I think you are saying that we *should* love all these things. If so, that is a different point from what I am saying above! I am saying that, when aiming to experience The Universe as alive, purposive, conscious - we need to focus on the things we *already* love.

And don't become confused by the things we feel we *ought* to love - which are innumerable. Those things we actually, already, love may be very few - but however few, that is where we should start.

Probably it doesn't matter all that much how many things of the world we love - so long as we really do love. It is that which is crucial to (and suffices for) salvation.

It is the people that do not love who are the problem (for everybody else).

11 August 2020 at 12:38

Anonymous Jacob Gittes said...

Amazing post, and very timely for me.
I've been in a strange place - my son leaving me for a good while, but we had a good time together. I do love him.
I love my dog, and he seems to literally read my mind, and vice versa.
Nature has become a bigger part of my life, living more rural. The lake, the waves, the wind. I love those things. I'd like to live more rustically.
New friends in the congregation I've chosen - I have a sense of real connection to some of them. I was leery of calling that love, but now I realize (due to your post) that I was being timid. Why? Fear of loss? Fear of connection?
I'm going to reread this one, and listen to the mentioned lecture.

I am realizing that one of the big issues I've been dealing with is trying to do too much. Being overwhelmed by inputs. Is that part of the subtle plan of evil to keep us from spiritual development? The crushing notion that we must do too much, learn too much, be involved in too much, try to figure out too much?

11 August 2020 at 14:30

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Jacob - I acknowledge my debts to Stanley Messenger, and his scattered brilliant insights so lucidly expressed; but - as an Anthroposophist, albeit somewhat heretical - he does have some extremely different assumptions and ideas from mine.

11 August 2020 at 14:35

Blogger Sean G. said...

"What is needed is analogous to the difference between telephoning your mother, and making a sales call; the difference between patting a dog, and using a carrier pigeon to send a message; between a real fan-letter expressing gratitude and delight, and asking for an autograph."

Beautifully put! How wonderful of you to put into words what I've been blindly grasping at. I feel like I've cheated somehow.

11 August 2020 at 17:37

Anonymous Joseph A. said...

This evening, I did a powder sugar treatment on my honey bee hive (a mild, anti-varroa method). My neighbors were relaxing on their back patio and seemed curious. As I got busy, I forgot about the neighbors and focused on the task at hand. As I was working, I realized that I was talking to the bees and became self-conscious, thinking how odd the neighbors might find me. Of course, I talk to the girls each time that I visit them, as I talk with many things, and normally it's natural. It became unnatural when I considered the neighbors. I continued to do it, unwilling to change my behavior for such a silly reason, but the world collapsed in some way. I wondered what they (the neighbors) might be thinking and what I would say if they asked if the bees understood English. I thought that I should answer that I speak in English because that is my language and that I'm not really sure what or how they understand, but I do think that they understand somehow.

A few months ago, Professor Smith wrote a post at the Orthosphere where he pondered about the alienation between him and the natural world. I understand the idea in the abstract, but I don't understand it intimately. Perhaps, there is a diversity of human constitutions, and people experience fundamental reality differently. That seems obvious enough when you listen to others talk about such matters. Education and upbringing probably play a role. Modern scientific formation, I suspect, instills a mechanical understanding of the world. I don't know how we might better teach students what we know sub specie causae efficiendi without also severing them from their natural relationship with the world. Liberal study doesn't seem to be the problem, but intensive scientific training appears to require this reduction . . . Descarte's mastery, Bacon's torturing nature to yield its answer, and, to use a brilliant literary example, Saruman's change of colors (from white to the rainbow) as he turned from a friend of the forest to having a mind of metal and wheels. Perhaps, a complementary approach is not obvious because losing such a path -- or willfully obscuring it -- is a defining mark of our age. I'd like to believe that we can keep the secrets (of Newton's laws, of subatomic behavior, etc.) that we have discovered without blinding ourselves to other (true) perspectives of the world. Contra Kuhn, I want to sublate these shifting horizons, greedy as I am! But that hasn't yet been the case in our modern world. Perhaps, your Romantics desired the same. Perhaps, some even succeeded. The effort failed, however, to change the dominant way in society at large. Where is our Merlin today?

12 August 2020 at 04:25

Blogger Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

The synchronicity fairies saw to it that I read this post just after reading a 1963 account of a crop circle (or “saucer nest” as they were then called) in Charlton, Wiltshire.

12 August 2020 at 04:50

Blogger Brad said...

The LOVE of money is the root of all evil...

Everything you wrote about truly brings that scripture to life!

12 August 2020 at 14:29

Blogger lgude said...

What a helpful post Bruce. I recognise the constant trying that I know is somehow futile in itself, but also part of making the effort to meet the transcendent half way. I felt it tonight during contemplative prayer, but didn't recognize the clear difference between brain and heart thinking. My heart overflowed because I experienced something I already loved directly. Narrow is the gate. Straight is the way.But there is a way and indeed it starts and ends with love. Thank you.

12 August 2020 at 14:48

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Brad - "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil..." Do you really believe that? I don't. I'd say that love of power, lust, or the craving for esteem/ status/ fame/ admiration are at least as common causes of evil as monetary greed.

12 August 2020 at 15:04

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Igude - Thanks. We shall see how hepful these new ideas turn out to be in the long run; but I was not getting far with my previous line of action.

12 August 2020 at 15:06

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Wm - I feel about the subject of crop circles somewhat as I feel about astrology; I think there is 'something in it', something 'going on' - but I don't feel interested enough to do anything like actually go and look at one.

Partly because most of them seem to be in the southern regions - especially Wiltshire and the chalk downland - that I seldom travel through or near - and then only en route to somewhere else.

But when I was in those parts a few years ago, we spent our time looking at Avebury, Stonehenge, West Kennet, Wayland's Smithy, the White Horse, the Ridgeway and other similar prehistoric 'monuments'.

Also, I don't find the crop circles designs to be attractive or appealing - not like the White Horse, for instance. Also, you can't see them properly from the ground.

12 August 2020 at 15:12

Blogger a_probst said...

"...are being subverted, mocked, destroyed, vilified and punished. Then all this is being locked-in by a global totalitarianism based on fear, resentment and despair."

In other words, kind of like living in some of Dennis Potter's teleplays.

13 August 2020 at 04:11

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I think you are saying that we *should* love all these things."

I was clumsy - I didn't mean 'ought' - but whatever we love we should do it from the heart. But I do think that if we can learn to love more widely, and more deeply, then I do believe that is a good thing. Love seems to me to be a power/fuel/creative energy, and the more of it that is created/generated, the heavier the weight down on to evil. (Who doesn't want to see Screwtape groan?) And also, the more love we feel and generate, the more livingly aware, and theotically enhanced we become - I think. That was intuitional and just came to me now. But it feels properly true. But, of course, we must start with things we already love - we've no choice anyway - we either love something, or we don't.

Barry

13 August 2020 at 18:08

Anonymous Anonymous said...


Further to my last comment, I wonder, is it possible that heart thinking love to another is reciprocated. For example, If I was walking through a field, and loving nature all around me, would nature answer back? It seems that way to me whenever I get those in tune with creation moments - I feel really 'there' in the moment, a sort of concentrated self-awareness, and I am certain that my surroundings notice me, and are loving me back. It makes me think of the Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah song and scene from Disney's Song of the South. Some might say I trivialise, and may be I do, but fairy stories like that do approximate to the in tune with creation connection that happens all too rarely for me. Those animators knew a thing or two and created a piece of art that aimed to demonstrate a reality.

And if you want a lift, here it is -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bWyhj7siEY

Barry

14 August 2020 at 18:35