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Blogger Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

For east or west, all woods must fail,
and out of shadow pass the trail.

18 February 2021 at 10:09

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Wm

Some good ideas - what about?

For east or west, all woods must fail...
as out of shadows wends our trail.

18 February 2021 at 13:29

Blogger Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

"Wend" is good, but I don't like the "as," the present tense, and the "our"! This is about all woods everywhere, not our particular trail. Maybe,

For east or west, all woods must fail,
and out of shadow wend each trail.

Or, with nod to Dante,

For east or west, all woods must fail,
and sunlit hill succeed on vale.

18 February 2021 at 17:25

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@ Wm - I think we're getting there

So far I like best the combination of both our notions:

For east or west, all woods must fail,
as out of shadow wends each trail.

But I don't much like the sound of 'each'.

I think the key is shadow/s and trail, which you suggested - perhaps the other elements are down to personal preference, and what fits with the rest of the poem, his vocabulary and sounds (that's what's wrong with sunlit hill succeed on vale - 'succeed' sounds too eighteenth century and 'Latinate' for Tolkien).

19 February 2021 at 07:25

Blogger A said...

Ending with reference to the beginning is a nice completion (referencing shadow & trail associated with Wanderers).

Since the poem is speaking to specific Wanderers, could you replace "each" with "our" our "your"?

19 February 2021 at 16:48

Blogger Wm Jas Tychonievich said...

“the trail”

20 February 2021 at 07:34

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

It can be seen why poems are not written by committee! Even when several people contribute useful ideas - in the end it should always be a matter of a single individual's judgment.

20 February 2021 at 11:23

Blogger cae said...

For what it's worth Bruce, I think you and William have hit on it with:

'as out of shadow wends the trail.'

When you read the whole thing together (especially out loud), this ending gives the poem a really satisfying finish..

20 February 2021 at 16:29