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Blogger participant said...

I have been enjoying your articles. As an ex-LDS I reject your bias ("pre-mortal life...") but otherwise find your writings to be validating and informative. Sorry but I am having difficulty understanding the concept of "Romantic Christianity" versus....what? Traditional Christianity? Scriptural Christianity? Perhaps you would consider an article clarifying this concept?

30 March 2020 at 14:40

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@p - " Perhaps you would consider an article clarifying this concept? " I suggest that you follow the link, and the links from that; and maybe word search 'direct knowing' and 'intuition'? There are dozens of posts on the theme. As a detailed worked example, you could look at the Lazarus Writes mini-book which is linked on the sidebar.

"I reject your bias" It is an *assumption* (specifically a metaphysical assumption; validated for me - only for me - by intuition), not a 'bias'.

30 March 2020 at 15:41

Anonymous edwin faust said...

"...rejection of the Self..." Your use of uppercase "Self" raises the question of what your intended meaning may be, as most Hindu scriptures and teachings use the same designation to mean the awareness/being that never changes as opposed to the shifting identifications of the ego with external circumstances or desired objects (including feelings and thoughts). What is the definition of "Self" in the romantic Christianity as you understand it? I suppose I am coming back to something that always puzzles me in your writing as well as in William Wildblood's - what is the essence of individuality? What demarcates one person from another? If it is the physical body, that would end with death of the physical body? Resurrection of the body would seem to restore it, but the nature of the resurrected body is not explained (St. Paul calls it "spiritual" and incorruptible" and says it will not resemble the physical body as the seed does not resemble the plant that that springs from it.)

30 March 2020 at 18:11

Anonymous Anonymous said...


"God is the creator, our loving parents"

I wonder if you would be interested in this little booklet (link below) about the Lord's Prayer where Abba is referred to as 'Father-Mother' -

'ABBAUN The Authentic Aramaic Meaning of the Lord's Prayer', by Lewis S Keizer.

https://www.academia.edu/11340736/ABBAUN_The_Authentic_Aramaic_Meaning_of_the_Lord_s_Prayer

His translation is interesting to me -

THE PRAYER OF YESHUA

Translated and Paraphrased for Meaning Lewis Keizer, M.Div., Ph.D.

Our eternal Abba, Father-Mother of all,
Who art within and beyond our understanding;
May thy Way be hallowed in every heart,
And thine interior guidance be known in every soul, And may thy spiritual sovereignty become fully realized, In us and on Earth, as it is in the heavens,
As above, so below; as within, so without; as in spirit, so in flesh.
Grant us this day our bread of the morrow;
And release us from the consequences of our sins, and of all sin, As we forgive those who sin against us;
And do not abandon us unto our tests,
But deliver us from all evil, within and without.
For thine is the eternal sovereignty,
And the power, and the glory, always and ever.
Amen, Amen, Amen

Barry

30 March 2020 at 18:54

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@Barry - That's not my understanding, I don't think; as far as I can make it out. The author seems to be arguing either that God is not incarnated (whereas I believe God has a body) and that God is either hermaphrodite or androgynous - of neither/ both sexes simultaneously, in one person - whereas I regard God as actual Heavenly Parents - https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/search?q=heavenly+parents

30 March 2020 at 20:34

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@edwin - My understanding of our True Self (which is also that in us which is divine) comes mainly from Arkle in Geography of Consciousness - you could look at the following: https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/search?q=true+self

30 March 2020 at 20:36

Anonymous Anonymous said...


"whereas I believe God has a body"

Some questions that sprang up in my head

It cannot be like ours - it must be indestructible?

Can it be a body on earth, or on some other plane?

Is it matter as we know it? (But how can it be, or it would be subject to corruption like our bodies).

I am used to thinking of 'spirit' and 'matter' as distinct. But are they?

Could God have a body that is a sort of refined matter inhabited by spirit?

Is there another substance as well as spirit and matter?

Or is a spiritual body, just that - spirit that can take form as a body?

Will our bodies be made of the same stuff as God's body when we are resurrected?

Barry

30 March 2020 at 22:15

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Smart phones were released when I was in high school, and that was the first time I remember thinking that technology had become overdeveloped beyond its purpose. All the bells and whistles seemed unnecessary, and to this day I find very few phone apps actually useful. Also, I didn’t like the idea of sharing every detail of my life on social media, which ended up making me an outcast of sorts among my generation. The world seemed to take a dark turn after everyone became addicted to their smart phones, and now I have an automatic negative reaction to “smart” anything (kind of like the phrase “global warming” has become very annoying).

31 March 2020 at 06:51

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@B https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/search?q=resurrection

31 March 2020 at 07:03

Blogger Bruce Charlton said...

@EDF - Yes, but they were, at the time, just an incremental extension of a long established trend that perhaps began with portable transitor radios, back in the 1960s. They amplified - very powerfully - things that started going wrong long before.

You would be amazed to read the utopian stuff which was written - in huge volumes - in the late 1990s about the benefits of the internet and connectivity!

https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/search?q=internet

31 March 2020 at 07:08

Anonymous Anonymous said...


https://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/search?q=resurrection

This suggests there is meant to be one body as temple for a particular spirit for all time (sudden image of Solomon's Temple rebuilt). If you are correct, then using body parts for transplant is wrong, and by extension, perhaps blood transfusions too as the Jehovah's Witnesses claim. I haven't thought about it thoroughly yet, but it does go some way (I think) to explain why the Frankenstein story is so horrific, and why, when I first heard of heart transplants as a child, I was revolted and tearful.

Barry

31 March 2020 at 15:55