Financial Times Sets Up Mastodon Server, Realizes Laws Exist (Which It Was Already Subject To), Pulls Down Mastodon Server

from the huh? dept

Here’s a weird one. With the rapid pickup of Mastodon and other ActivityPub-powered federated social media, there has been some movement among those in the media to make better use of the platform themselves. For example, most recently, the German news giant Heise announced it was setting up its own Mastodon server, where it will serve up its own content, and also offer accounts to any of the company’s employees, should they choose to use them. Medium, the publication tool, has similarly set up its own Mastodon server as well. At some point, Techdirt is going to do that as well, though we’ve been waiting while a bunch of new developments and platforms are being built before committing to a specific plan.

However, recently, the Financial Times posted a very bizarre article in which it talks about how it had set up a Mastodon server for its FT Alphaville back in November, but has now decided to shut it down because, according to the headline “it was awful.” What’s kinda bizarre is that they clearly set it up without much thought, and admitted as much in their kickoff blog post, admitting they didn’t quite know what to do with it, and asking people if they had any ideas. They also clearly recognized that there are some potential liability questions about running your own social media platform, because they described it this way (note the strikethrough, which is in the original):

If you have a smart idea about how we could use our newfound moderation liability platform, please let us know.

Which is kinda why the reasoning for shutting down the platform… is somewhat incomprehensible. They basically don’t talk about any of the problems with actually running Mastodon. They outline all of the stupid policies in place (mostly in the UK) that make it scary to run a social media network. The “awfulness” seemed to have nothing to do with running the server, and a lot to do with how the UK (and other parts of the world) have really dreadful laws that suck if you want to setup a site that hosts third-party speech.

If anything, the decision to shut it down is a primary lesson in how important Section 230 is if we want social media to survive (and allow for smaller competitors to exist). While they say that running the Mastodon server was “more hassle than it’s worth,” what they really seem to mean is that the UK laws, both existing and those on the way, make it ridiculously burdensome to do this:

The legal side is all that again times a thousand. Take, for instance, the UK Investigatory Powers Act 2016. Diligent people have spent years figuring out how its imprecise wordings apply to media organisations. Do these same conclusions hold for a sort-of-but-not-really decentralised silo of user generated content? Dunno. The only place to find out for sure would be in court, and we’d really rather not.

Seems like the kinda thing that, I don’t know, a publication like the FT might have spoken out about in the years and months prior to the Investigatory Powers Act coming into effect?

Then there’s the defamation liability thing. Which, you know, is a big part of why Section 230 is so important in the US. This one paragraph alone should make it clear why the UK will never become a social media powerhouse:

Do Mastodon server owners wear any responsibility for their users’ defamations? It’s unlikely but, because libel involves judges, not impossible. Again, the value in finding out is outweighed by the cost of finding out.

They name some other laws as well:

What about GDPR? Digital Millennium Copyright Act takedowns? Electronic Commerce Regulations? CAN-SPAM? FTAV treats user data with a combination of disinterest and uninterest, but that’s not enough to guarantee compliance with all relevant global laws and regulations.

And laws to come:

This headline:

And, look, it’s absolutely true that there are legal risks to running a Mastodon instance. EFF has put up a really fantastic legal primer for anyone looking to set up their own Mastodon server. And there are, certainly, some technical and logistical issues in doing it as well. And, basically all that says is that you shouldn’t set up a server on a whim.

But, what this really seems to demonstrate is the importance of good regulations like Section 230 that help make it possible for anyone to set up just such a server, as well as the horrific nature of UK laws like the Investigatory Powers Act and the upcoming Online Safety Bill, and how they make it next to impossible for there to ever be a UK-created social media platform.

But, in some ways, it’s even dumber, because… most of these laws already apply to FT and its website, because the FT… allows comments. Anyone who allows comments on their website already has a kind of social media offering already. And, indeed, some people raised that very point in the comments on this story.

The response by Bryce Elder… doesn’t make much sense. Yes, managing comments and the like can be somewhat painful and expensive, but that doesn’t respond to the simple point that all of the same legal concerns put forth as reasons to take down the Mastodon server… also apply to the comments. So why name all of those laws as making it “awful,” when your publication has already figured out how to deal with those same laws.

It really seems like the reality was that Bryce just didn’t want to run the Mastodon server any more, and rather than just say “I didn’t want to do this any more,” he decided to falsely claim “it was awful.” Yeah, maybe some UK laws are awful, and we can talk about that. But it’s not running a Mastodon server that’s awful.

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Russ says:

My reading is that ‘below-the-line’ comments made on newspaper sites are exempt from the scope of the Online Safety Bill (see the Bill’s Schedule 1, Section 4 ‘Limited functionality services’, ‘posting comments or reviews relating to provider content’). This exemption applies, I think, even when such provider content and below-the-line commentary are carried online. I stress this is my view only; case law and consensus are a long way off as yet.

In a sense, it makes FT’s abandonment of its Mastodon adventure even more puzzling, but it would depend crucially on whether a Mastodon application is seen as something being run by a ‘recognised news publisher’ or an in-scope ‘platform’. All a bit muddy, and I can see why the FT felt it was maybe a bit too soon to test the water.

Jenora Feuer says:

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The problem with underfunded enforcement agencies is that they then become ripe for abuse. Both because they will only bother going against easy targets that aren’t in a position to fight back, and because they’re more easy to persuade on which targets to go after by their political masters by dangling budget information in front of them.

Partial enforcement can always be weaponized.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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And a lot of them support queer rights, unlike a significantly not-zero number of people whose asses you and your fellow trolls deem fit to kiss.

Incidentally, Koby, yes or no: Do you believe the government should have the legal right to compel any privately owned interactive web service into hosting legally protected speech that the owners/operators of said service don’t want to host?

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PaulT (profile) says:

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Mastodon is one of many alternatives to Twitter, some will go there, some will go elsewhere, nobody decent will pay Elon money for what used to be free for a less valuable service.,

The lesson to take away here is that most people have always had alternative services to use and will use them instead of trying to force services they no longer wish to use to host them.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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The swell of Mastodon is basically illusory (and over) but journalists and Masnick are gonna take another few months to stop pushing it cuz theyreally hate Musk.

The swell of Mastodon is basically real but people like Bennett are gonna take another few months to stop lying about it cuz they really hate facts and hope that Musk will one day pat him on the back.

FTFY

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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except none of that turns out to be true

Which part of what they said isn’t true⁠—the “Mastodon is one of many alternatives to Twitter” bit, the “some will go there, some will go elsewhere” bit, the “nobody decent will pay Elon money for what used to be free for a less valuable service” bit, and/or the “most people have always had alternative services to use and will use them instead of trying to force services they no longer wish to use to host them” bit?

Anonymous Coward says:

I would argue that while the same broad legal concerns apply to both their own comment sections and their mastodon server, the scope and available tools to deal with those concerns are quite different.

Mastodon servers, at their core, are intended to be interoperable with other servers… which includes having content from those other servers appear in your own server. While that function can be turned off, doing so would largely defeat the purpose of using a mastodon server as opposed to a comment section on your own website.

Who knows, really, what your liability is for content which is available to people within your server, but not actually located on it or associated with it. Is it worth going to court over it? Probably not.

It also limits the options they have available to moderate. With their own server, they can put into place any number of systems to identify content they do not want before it becomes available (how well those systems might work is another question, of course). They can’t do that with anyone else’s, again asking more questions about how quickly they need to respond to content located somewhere else.

It also just adds extra dimensions of work to the moderation. Now the question of “delete the content or ban the user” has become “delete the content or ban the user or ban the server.”

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