We’re so doomed when the next party in power professes that wind farms give you cancer and solar power is unreliable and useless. And because you know socials.
As the tech giants compete in a global AI arms race, a frenzy of data center construction is sweeping the country. Some computing campuses require as much energy as a modest-sized city, turning tech firms that promised to lead the wayinto a clean energy future into some of the world’s most insatiable guzzlers of power. Their projected energy needs are so huge, some worry whether there will be enough electricity to meet them from any source.
Data centers, the nondescript warehouses packed with racks of servers that power the modern internet, have been around for decades. But the amount of electricity they need now is soaring because of AI. Training artificial intelligence models and using AI to execute even simple tasks involves ever more complicated, faster and voluminous computations that are straining the electricity system.
A ChatGPT-powered search on Google, according to the International Energy Agency, consumes almost 10 times the amount of electricity as a traditional search. One large data center complex in Iowa owned by Meta burns the annual equivalent amount of power as 7 million laptops running eight hours every day, based on data shared publiclyby the company.
"Worldwide bitcoin miming used 121.12 terawatt-hours of electricity in 2023. The entire country of Netherlands, with more than 17 million people, consumed 121.6 terawatt-hours in 2022, according to the international Energy Agency."
All this lead to several questions in my mind including (and this is not meant to be anti-eclectic cars), where is the energy going to come from to run these cars when places like California ban internal combustion engines? Not that this ban in-of-itself is a bad idea, but I have to wonder if the conversion to electric cars will even be feasible? Is anyone asking this questions, or are we just speeding headlong as fast as possible into the proverbial brick wall?
Honestly, I think a slow grinding of things to a near halt would be a lot better than slamming into chaos. If we go the latter route, we're in for a damn rough ride.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
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We’re so doomed when the next party in power professes that wind farms give you cancer and solar power is unreliable and useless. And because you know socials.
As the tech giants compete in a global AI arms race, a frenzy of data center construction is sweeping the country. Some computing campuses require as much energy as a modest-sized city, turning tech firms that promised to lead the wayinto a clean energy future into some of the world’s most insatiable guzzlers of power. Their projected energy needs are so huge, some worry whether there will be enough electricity to meet them from any source.
Data centers, the nondescript warehouses packed with racks of servers that power the modern internet, have been around for decades. But the amount of electricity they need now is soaring because of AI. Training artificial intelligence models and using AI to execute even simple tasks involves ever more complicated, faster and voluminous computations that are straining the electricity system.
A ChatGPT-powered search on Google, according to the International Energy Agency, consumes almost 10 times the amount of electricity as a traditional search. One large data center complex in Iowa owned by Meta burns the annual equivalent amount of power as 7 million laptops running eight hours every day, based on data shared publiclyby the company.
We’re so doomed when the next party in power professes that wind farms give you cancer and solar power is unreliable and useless. And because you know socials.
As the tech giants compete in a global AI arms race, a frenzy of data center construction is sweeping the country. Some computing campuses require as much energy as a modest-sized city, turning tech firms that promised to lead the wayinto a clean energy future into some of the world’s most insatiable guzzlers of power. Their projected energy needs are so huge, some worry whether there will be enough electricity to meet them from any source.
Data centers, the nondescript warehouses packed with racks of servers that power the modern internet, have been around for decades. But the amount of electricity they need now is soaring because of AI. Training artificial intelligence models and using AI to execute even simple tasks involves ever more complicated, faster and voluminous computations that are straining the electricity system.
A ChatGPT-powered search on Google, according to the International Energy Agency, consumes almost 10 times the amount of electricity as a traditional search. One large data center complex in Iowa owned by Meta burns the annual equivalent amount of power as 7 million laptops running eight hours every day, based on data shared publiclyby the company.
"Worldwide bitcoin miming used 121.12 terawatt-hours of electricity in 2023. The entire country of Netherlands, with more than 17 million people, consumed 121.6 terawatt-hours in 2022, according to the international Energy Agency."
All this lead to several questions in my mind including (and this is not meant to be anti-eclectic cars), where is the energy going to come from to run these cars when places like California ban internal combustion engines? Not that this ban in-of-itself is a bad idea, but I have to wonder if the conversion to electric cars will even be feasible? Is anyone asking this questions, or are we just speeding headlong as fast as possible into the proverbial brick wall?
Honestly, I think a slow grinding of things to a near halt would be a lot better than slamming into chaos. If we go the latter route, we're in for a damn rough ride.
It seems ICE will be around for a while and EVs will take longer than predicted a few years ago. At least three things must happen before EVs have a chance- 1. Cost to ICE cars must be comparable. 2. Recharging battery must be easy to find and quick. 3. Need to be able to get the EV repaired anywhere. We are very far from achieving these milestones.
Regarding all of the electricity generated for bitcoins, saw an interesting video about how Paris is using something similar, the energy used from data/server farms for internet usage to generate heat :
About climate change in general, this can’t be said enough.the politics are slippery. Republicans argue if you hop on a plane often, you are really not THAT concerned about the climate. Looking at “liberal” bands like U2 and d and c, drawing hundreds of thousands of fans cross country into a Vegas desert, instead of a small crew traveling with a band, this needlessly burns more carbon than a small city, a complete waste, yet the liberals seem to not care.
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We’re so doomed when the next party in power professes that wind farms give you cancer and solar power is unreliable and useless. And because you know socials.
As the tech giants compete in a global AI arms race, a frenzy of data center construction is sweeping the country. Some computing campuses require as much energy as a modest-sized city, turning tech firms that promised to lead the wayinto a clean energy future into some of the world’s most insatiable guzzlers of power. Their projected energy needs are so huge, some worry whether there will be enough electricity to meet them from any source.
Data centers, the nondescript warehouses packed with racks of servers that power the modern internet, have been around for decades. But the amount of electricity they need now is soaring because of AI. Training artificial intelligence models and using AI to execute even simple tasks involves ever more complicated, faster and voluminous computations that are straining the electricity system.
A ChatGPT-powered search on Google, according to the International Energy Agency, consumes almost 10 times the amount of electricity as a traditional search. One large data center complex in Iowa owned by Meta burns the annual equivalent amount of power as 7 million laptops running eight hours every day, based on data shared publiclyby the company.
"Worldwide bitcoin miming used 121.12 terawatt-hours of electricity in 2023. The entire country of Netherlands, with more than 17 million people, consumed 121.6 terawatt-hours in 2022, according to the international Energy Agency."
All this lead to several questions in my mind including (and this is not meant to be anti-eclectic cars), where is the energy going to come from to run these cars when places like California ban internal combustion engines? Not that this ban in-of-itself is a bad idea, but I have to wonder if the conversion to electric cars will even be feasible? Is anyone asking this questions, or are we just speeding headlong as fast as possible into the proverbial brick wall?
Honestly, I think a slow grinding of things to a near halt would be a lot better than slamming into chaos. If we go the latter route, we're in for a damn rough ride.
It seems ICE will be around for a while and EVs will take longer than predicted a few years ago. At least three things must happen before EVs have a chance- 1. Cost to ICE cars must be comparable. 2. Recharging battery must be easy to find and quick. 3. Need to be able to get the EV repaired anywhere. We are very far from achieving these milestones.
Regarding all of the electricity generated for bitcoins, saw an interesting video about how Paris is using something similar, the energy used from data/server farms for internet usage to generate heat :
About climate change in general, this can’t be said enough.the politics are slippery. Republicans argue if you hop on a plane often, you are really not THAT concerned about the climate. Looking at “liberal” bands like U2 and d and c, drawing hundreds of thousands of fans cross country into a Vegas desert, instead of a small crew traveling with a band, this needlessly burns more carbon than a small city, a complete waste, yet the liberals seem to not care.
I don't like to admit this, but I don't believe politics or rock bands are going to do much to lessen the impact of global warming. Democrats are more likely to pass environmentally friendly legislation and I don't think that can be argued, but it's not going to be enough. we've already seen that. We've known about global warming for decades (some of us started talking about to 40 or more years ago). Republicans care even less about environment.
And rock bands like Pearl Jam and Neil Young either need to get real about global warming or stop talking about it. When it comes to their music, I love them both for the rich trove of great music they have added to our lives. But the big shows with semi trailers hauling tons of shit around the planet, the over-blown excessive packaging of single albums in gatefold covers with all the other ephemera that gets stuffed in them... Give me a break, guys.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
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mickeyrat
up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,903
We’re so doomed when the next party in power professes that wind farms give you cancer and solar power is unreliable and useless. And because you know socials.
As the tech giants compete in a global AI arms race, a frenzy of data center construction is sweeping the country. Some computing campuses require as much energy as a modest-sized city, turning tech firms that promised to lead the wayinto a clean energy future into some of the world’s most insatiable guzzlers of power. Their projected energy needs are so huge, some worry whether there will be enough electricity to meet them from any source.
Data centers, the nondescript warehouses packed with racks of servers that power the modern internet, have been around for decades. But the amount of electricity they need now is soaring because of AI. Training artificial intelligence models and using AI to execute even simple tasks involves ever more complicated, faster and voluminous computations that are straining the electricity system.
A ChatGPT-powered search on Google, according to the International Energy Agency, consumes almost 10 times the amount of electricity as a traditional search. One large data center complex in Iowa owned by Meta burns the annual equivalent amount of power as 7 million laptops running eight hours every day, based on data shared publiclyby the company.
"Worldwide bitcoin miming used 121.12 terawatt-hours of electricity in 2023. The entire country of Netherlands, with more than 17 million people, consumed 121.6 terawatt-hours in 2022, according to the international Energy Agency."
All this lead to several questions in my mind including (and this is not meant to be anti-eclectic cars), where is the energy going to come from to run these cars when places like California ban internal combustion engines? Not that this ban in-of-itself is a bad idea, but I have to wonder if the conversion to electric cars will even be feasible? Is anyone asking this questions, or are we just speeding headlong as fast as possible into the proverbial brick wall?
Honestly, I think a slow grinding of things to a near halt would be a lot better than slamming into chaos. If we go the latter route, we're in for a damn rough ride.
It seems ICE will be around for a while and EVs will take longer than predicted a few years ago. At least three things must happen before EVs have a chance- 1. Cost to ICE cars must be comparable. 2. Recharging battery must be easy to find and quick. 3. Need to be able to get the EV repaired anywhere. We are very far from achieving these milestones.
Regarding all of the electricity generated for bitcoins, saw an interesting video about how Paris is using something similar, the energy used from data/server farms for internet usage to generate heat :
About climate change in general, this can’t be said enough.the politics are slippery. Republicans argue if you hop on a plane often, you are really not THAT concerned about the climate. Looking at “liberal” bands like U2 and d and c, drawing hundreds of thousands of fans cross country into a Vegas desert, instead of a small crew traveling with a band, this needlessly burns more carbon than a small city, a complete waste, yet the liberals seem to not care.
were flights added to accommodate the fans traveling to those shows in vegas or elsewhere?
you know, adding more pollution to the earth than is generated daily from the airline industry before or after that venue was built?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
November may not matter and 2025 certainly won’t if it’s drill baby drill time.
Sunday was the hottest day ever recorded on Earth, scientists say
The historic day comes on the heels of 13 straight months of unprecedented temperatures and the hottest year scientists have ever seen.
Global temperatures hit the highest levels in recorded history on Sunday, according to preliminary data from Europe’s top climate monitor — another worrying sign of how human-caused climate changeis pushing the planet into dangerous new territory.
The results from the Copernicus Climate Change Service show the planet’s average temperature on July 21 was 17.09 degrees Celsius (62.76 degrees Fahrenheit) — breaking a record set only last year. The historic day comes on the heels of 13 straight months of unprecedented temperatures and the hottest year scientists have ever seen.
“We are in truly uncharted territory,” Copernicus director Carlo Buontempo said in a statement. “And as the climate keeps warming, we are bound to see records being broken in future months and years.”
Though Sunday was only slightly warmer than the world’s previous hottest day, Copernicus researchers noted, it was extraordinarily hotter than anything that came before. Before July 2023, Earth’s daily average temperature record — set in August 2016 — was 16.8 degrees Celsius (62.24 degrees Fahrenheit). But in the past year, the global has exceeded that old record on 57 days.
“What is truly staggering is how large the difference is between the temperature of the last 13 months and the previous temperature records,” Buontempo said.
Scientists have been tracking global temperatures only for the past few centuries. Yet there is good reason to believe that Sunday was the hottest day on Earth since the start of the last Ice Age more than 100,000 years ago. Research from paleoclimate scientists — who use tree rings, ice cores, lake sediments and other ancient material to understand past environments — suggests that recent heat would have been all but impossible over the last stretch of geologic time.
Sunday’s record-setting heat was felt on nearly every continent. Huge swaths of Asia sweltered amid scorching days and dangerously hot nights. Triple-digit temperatures in the western United States fueled out-of-control wildfires. Around much of Antarctica, Copernicus data show, temperatures were as much as 12 degrees Celsius (22 degrees Fahrenheit) above normal.
The unrelenting heat has scientists increasingly convinced that this year could prove even hotter than last. In an analysis published last week, researchers at the climate science nonprofit Berkeley Earth estimated that 2024 has a 92 percent chance of setting a new annual heat record. The average temperature for the year is almost certain to exceed 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels — surpassing what scientists say is the threshold for tolerable warming.
“It is troubling but not surprising that we are hitting record temperatures this year,” Andrew Pershing, vice president for science at the nonprofit Climate Central, wrote in an email. “We continue to add carbon pollution to the atmosphere, so global temperatures will continue to go up.”
November may not matter and 2025 certainly won’t if it’s drill baby drill time.
Sunday was the hottest day ever recorded on Earth, scientists say
The historic day comes on the heels of 13 straight months of unprecedented temperatures and the hottest year scientists have ever seen.
Global temperatures hit the highest levels in recorded history on Sunday, according to preliminary data from Europe’s top climate monitor — another worrying sign of how human-caused climate changeis pushing the planet into dangerous new territory.
The results from the Copernicus Climate Change Service show the planet’s average temperature on July 21 was 17.09 degrees Celsius (62.76 degrees Fahrenheit) — breaking a record set only last year. The historic day comes on the heels of 13 straight months of unprecedented temperatures and the hottest year scientists have ever seen.
“We are in truly uncharted territory,” Copernicus director Carlo Buontempo said in a statement. “And as the climate keeps warming, we are bound to see records being broken in future months and years.”
Though Sunday was only slightly warmer than the world’s previous hottest day, Copernicus researchers noted, it was extraordinarily hotter than anything that came before. Before July 2023, Earth’s daily average temperature record — set in August 2016 — was 16.8 degrees Celsius (62.24 degrees Fahrenheit). But in the past year, the global has exceeded that old record on 57 days.
“What is truly staggering is how large the difference is between the temperature of the last 13 months and the previous temperature records,” Buontempo said.
Scientists have been tracking global temperatures only for the past few centuries. Yet there is good reason to believe that Sunday was the hottest day on Earth since the start of the last Ice Age more than 100,000 years ago. Research from paleoclimate scientists — who use tree rings, ice cores, lake sediments and other ancient material to understand past environments — suggests that recent heat would have been all but impossible over the last stretch of geologic time.
Sunday’s record-setting heat was felt on nearly every continent. Huge swaths of Asia sweltered amid scorching days and dangerously hot nights. Triple-digit temperatures in the western United States fueled out-of-control wildfires. Around much of Antarctica, Copernicus data show, temperatures were as much as 12 degrees Celsius (22 degrees Fahrenheit) above normal.
The unrelenting heat has scientists increasingly convinced that this year could prove even hotter than last. In an analysis published last week, researchers at the climate science nonprofit Berkeley Earth estimated that 2024 has a 92 percent chance of setting a new annual heat record. The average temperature for the year is almost certain to exceed 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels — surpassing what scientists say is the threshold for tolerable warming.
“It is troubling but not surprising that we are hitting record temperatures this year,” Andrew Pershing, vice president for science at the nonprofit Climate Central, wrote in an email. “We continue to add carbon pollution to the atmosphere, so global temperatures will continue to go up.”
As well all know, local weather is not the same as global climate. But that said, we sure have had our fill of global warming this summer. Another 104 in the shade today. It's been an unrelentingly hot summer already. Sounds like we're not along.
And yet people keep flying. Jet boats keep muddying the waters and polluting the air. Massive cruise ship, the same time a million. Bands keep touring with semi trailers full of gear and props. Factories keep producing made-to-fail planned obsolescent products we want but don't need. And all the while, the planet burns.
But nature bats last.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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yet they are force feeding AI down our throats.
I have yet to use any AI(to my knowledge) programs and would hope not to.
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Regarding all of the electricity generated for bitcoins, saw an interesting video about how Paris is using something similar, the energy used from data/server farms for internet usage to generate heat :
https://youtu.be/2gWudPtN6z4?si=4e1BxQKXm6uU4z9n
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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Sunday was the hottest day ever recorded on Earth, scientists say
The historic day comes on the heels of 13 straight months of unprecedented temperatures and the hottest year scientists have ever seen.
Global temperatures hit the highest levels in recorded history on Sunday, according to preliminary data from Europe’s top climate monitor — another worrying sign of how human-caused climate changeis pushing the planet into dangerous new territory.
The results from the Copernicus Climate Change Service show the planet’s average temperature on July 21 was 17.09 degrees Celsius (62.76 degrees Fahrenheit) — breaking a record set only last year. The historic day comes on the heels of 13 straight months of unprecedented temperatures and the hottest year scientists have ever seen.
“We are in truly uncharted territory,” Copernicus director Carlo Buontempo said in a statement. “And as the climate keeps warming, we are bound to see records being broken in future months and years.”
Though Sunday was only slightly warmer than the world’s previous hottest day, Copernicus researchers noted, it was extraordinarily hotter than anything that came before. Before July 2023, Earth’s daily average temperature record — set in August 2016 — was 16.8 degrees Celsius (62.24 degrees Fahrenheit). But in the past year, the global has exceeded that old record on 57 days.
“What is truly staggering is how large the difference is between the temperature of the last 13 months and the previous temperature records,” Buontempo said.
Scientists have been tracking global temperatures only for the past few centuries. Yet there is good reason to believe that Sunday was the hottest day on Earth since the start of the last Ice Age more than 100,000 years ago. Research from paleoclimate scientists — who use tree rings, ice cores, lake sediments and other ancient material to understand past environments — suggests that recent heat would have been all but impossible over the last stretch of geologic time.
Sunday’s record-setting heat was felt on nearly every continent. Huge swaths of Asia sweltered amid scorching days and dangerously hot nights. Triple-digit temperatures in the western United States fueled out-of-control wildfires. Around much of Antarctica, Copernicus data show, temperatures were as much as 12 degrees Celsius (22 degrees Fahrenheit) above normal.
According to the National Centers for Environmental Information, 550 places around the planet saw record high daily temperatures in the last 7 days alone.
The unrelenting heat has scientists increasingly convinced that this year could prove even hotter than last. In an analysis published last week, researchers at the climate science nonprofit Berkeley Earth estimated that 2024 has a 92 percent chance of setting a new annual heat record. The average temperature for the year is almost certain to exceed 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels — surpassing what scientists say is the threshold for tolerable warming.
“It is troubling but not surprising that we are hitting record temperatures this year,” Andrew Pershing, vice president for science at the nonprofit Climate Central, wrote in an email. “We continue to add carbon pollution to the atmosphere, so global temperatures will continue to go up.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/07/23/hottest-day-ever-recorded-climate-change/
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