The mainstream comic book and speculative fiction publishing industries suffered another blow to their credibility this week as one of their beloved icons, Neil Gaiman, has been accused of sexual assault by two women. The writer, famous for works like Sandman and American Gods, has been a staple of the mainstream industry for decades, one of the few major celebrities in the writing world, upheld by mainstream publishing to rockstar status. However, recent years have spelled turmoil for Neil Gaiman in his personal life as Netflix and Prime Video adapt his older works for streaming shows.
Perennial rejection by attractive women as a younger man must be a big part of that lifelong fetishization. The inflated self-image prevents moving on to realistic prospects. Mature adult relationship processes never develop. And once they get some external social power…
Arrested development seems to be a foundation of Gamma in general.
The writer of this piece is bizarrely fixated on age differences. Men value beauty, women value security (including financial security) and status. Younger women are, in general, more beautiful than older women. Older men, in general, are more financial secure than younger men. To act as if there is something weird or wrong about the fact that an older man will date a younger woman if he can is ridiculous. My last girlfriend was 20 years younger than me and I'm not sorry. 🤷♂️
It is bizarre and unsettling for the author to take this tone. Criticize Gaiman for his degenerate sexual lifestyle, which he publicizes. Criticize him for his foolhardy political and social stances, which he also proclaims as part of his brand. You could even rag on his stilted, hackneyed writing style, which is criminally overrated (to some extent due to the former instances of rightthink).
Having a couple of young whores throw themselves at him due to his fame and money is probably the most humanizing aspect of Gaiman's character. I support him fully against 20 yr old hearsay about "creepy" age differences.
Would you like to hear about the damage my dad marrying a woman 3 years older than me did you the family for an example of why this is problematic?
Or is it that you just don't care?
Intergenerational romance is extremely sketchy at the best of times, and we both know he wasn't being careful. “Women value security” fine. She's not getting it if she gets with a divorcee.
Would you like to hear the story of my friend whose husband is over 20 years older than her, who has been married to the man for almost 20 years, and who has three happy kids by him? Or should the whole world just automatically change its behavior because you had a bad experience?
Long before your dad married a woman three years older than you, he should have taught you the lesson that the whole world doesn't revolve around you.
When I bring up reason it is problematic, you attempt to shame me. Based on the structure of your comment, you feel shame is a stronger argument than your anecdote, even though you know I grew up in a culture which doesn't believe in shame.
I'm going to take the fact that you believe your argument is no stronger than an appeal to a value you know I probably don't believe in as indicative of how much confidence you have in your anecdote as well.
Disappointing, but I can't say I'm surprised. One quibble - IIRC, Gaiman and his first wife had a Christian Science background, not Scientology. Still a cult, but not the same.
That's wrong. he met his first wife while she was in Scientology and living in England in a house owned by Gaiman's father, who was one ofthe most prominent Scientologists in England at the time (Source: Goodyear, Dana (25 January 2010). "Kid Goth Neil Gaiman's fantasies". The New Yorker. Archived from the original on 27 April 2013)
I've enjoyed his writing. I've disliked most things I've heard him say IRL. Him doing gross and mean things that someone chose to go along with when they could have chosen differently is not rape. Being mean and gross is not good.
Sexual assault is if course morally wrong as well as a crime, but what is with shaming a legally adult 18 year old for being with an older man? Where is the correct and morally acceptable line in age discrepancy between consenting adults written?
You are correct in that fornication is a sin but that rings true no matter if they are same age or not. The fixation on age difference dilutes the alleged assaults especially in regard to an employer/employee situation
As an independent author, I take great pride in never engaging in inappropriate sexual actions with/against anyone. Apparently, this is a feat now.
“Heigh ho” alone is sufficient to confirm Gamma.
Perennial rejection by attractive women as a younger man must be a big part of that lifelong fetishization. The inflated self-image prevents moving on to realistic prospects. Mature adult relationship processes never develop. And once they get some external social power…
Arrested development seems to be a foundation of Gamma in general.
The writer of this piece is bizarrely fixated on age differences. Men value beauty, women value security (including financial security) and status. Younger women are, in general, more beautiful than older women. Older men, in general, are more financial secure than younger men. To act as if there is something weird or wrong about the fact that an older man will date a younger woman if he can is ridiculous. My last girlfriend was 20 years younger than me and I'm not sorry. 🤷♂️
It is bizarre and unsettling for the author to take this tone. Criticize Gaiman for his degenerate sexual lifestyle, which he publicizes. Criticize him for his foolhardy political and social stances, which he also proclaims as part of his brand. You could even rag on his stilted, hackneyed writing style, which is criminally overrated (to some extent due to the former instances of rightthink).
Having a couple of young whores throw themselves at him due to his fame and money is probably the most humanizing aspect of Gaiman's character. I support him fully against 20 yr old hearsay about "creepy" age differences.
Would you like to hear about the damage my dad marrying a woman 3 years older than me did you the family for an example of why this is problematic?
Or is it that you just don't care?
Intergenerational romance is extremely sketchy at the best of times, and we both know he wasn't being careful. “Women value security” fine. She's not getting it if she gets with a divorcee.
Would you like to hear the story of my friend whose husband is over 20 years older than her, who has been married to the man for almost 20 years, and who has three happy kids by him? Or should the whole world just automatically change its behavior because you had a bad experience?
Long before your dad married a woman three years older than you, he should have taught you the lesson that the whole world doesn't revolve around you.
Yeah that's basically what I thought.
When I bring up reason it is problematic, you attempt to shame me. Based on the structure of your comment, you feel shame is a stronger argument than your anecdote, even though you know I grew up in a culture which doesn't believe in shame.
I'm going to take the fact that you believe your argument is no stronger than an appeal to a value you know I probably don't believe in as indicative of how much confidence you have in your anecdote as well.
"even though you know I grew up in a culture which doesn't believe in shame."
I have no idea why you think I know anything about you that you didn't reveal in your previous self-involved comment. 😂
And the reason you didn't engage with my anecdote is obvious. As is the flimsiness of your excuse for not doing so.
As the Critical Drinker would say, "Go away now."
You piled on Ed and now you're piling on Neil.
Odd , most of the incels in comics are closeted homosexual hebephiles.
Disappointing, but I can't say I'm surprised. One quibble - IIRC, Gaiman and his first wife had a Christian Science background, not Scientology. Still a cult, but not the same.
That's wrong. he met his first wife while she was in Scientology and living in England in a house owned by Gaiman's father, who was one ofthe most prominent Scientologists in England at the time (Source: Goodyear, Dana (25 January 2010). "Kid Goth Neil Gaiman's fantasies". The New Yorker. Archived from the original on 27 April 2013)
Maybe so, but I remember him correcting someone on his own blog years ago that they were Christian Science and not Scientologist.
Two women assaulted him and he’s complaining?
looks pretty rapey to me!
I've enjoyed his writing. I've disliked most things I've heard him say IRL. Him doing gross and mean things that someone chose to go along with when they could have chosen differently is not rape. Being mean and gross is not good.
Looks like the 'Pulse will have to deal with the apologist tour over here as well.
Sexual assault is if course morally wrong as well as a crime, but what is with shaming a legally adult 18 year old for being with an older man? Where is the correct and morally acceptable line in age discrepancy between consenting adults written?
Fornication is a sin and should be condemned.
You are correct in that fornication is a sin but that rings true no matter if they are same age or not. The fixation on age difference dilutes the alleged assaults especially in regard to an employer/employee situation
Concent based morality is fake and extremely gay.
Concent is a necessary but nowhere near sufficient component of a moral relationship.
Thankfully you're here as an expert on gay to clear up the whole sexual morality thing.
I don't need to be a food expert to know McDonald's is bad for you.