My latest at PJ Media:
Donald Trump is a heretic. He is persecuted by the Church.
No, not any of the Christian Churches. For them, although few realize or will admit it, Donald Trump, the famous playboy womanizer, is the most pro-Christian President in recent memory. Trump is a heretic from the Leftist church, the secular religion of today’s political and media elites, and as such he must be treated as heretics were in the old days of the Spanish Inquisition: he must be burned at the stake. Actually, that’s inaccurate, as archaism is frowned upon by this religion’s clergy. He need not be burned at the stake, but by whatever means, he must be destroyed.
Although most people in the United States today still identify themselves as Christians, the dominant religion of those who have dominated the political arena, own the establishment media, and set the cultural tone for the nation is not Christianity, but Leftism.
Leftism is a religion without a being who is identified as god as such, except insofar as the atomized individual is exalted to deity status and its every whim canonized as tantamount to divine writ, but it is as rigidly dogmatic, as fervently held, and as fanatically divorced from rationality as the worst and most destructive religious manifestations in human history. It is also extremely influential and all-pervasive. Every President since Franklin D. Roosevelt, with two notable exceptions, has held to this religion to varying degrees, and in some way paid obeisance to its gods and made offerings at its altars.
There is much more. Read the rest here.
Wellington says
True, as expressed by Robert Spencer. But the main problem in our time is that truth is a casualty of the many forces against it, among them being Islam, the Left and traditional authoritarians like those who run China.
ColinB. says
The Godless Left denies that there is one Truth. Therefore a malignant belief like Islam carries as much weight as Christianity- more, because it is ‘oppressed’ by White Christians.
Or so the narrative goes.
DenanStrong (@DenanStrong) says
Very important concept most ignore. Beg to differ on one key point: The Left’s secular religion worships Big Government and it’s power to provide equality, solve all problems and determine who’s worthy of rights.
Ixor Kleb says
It may be they simplistically believe humanity is perfectible to any one of their theoretical utopias.
Jhn1 says
OK, and progressive judges are highly.ranked among the Left’s priesthood.
eduardo odraude says
By definition Christianity is of course not a “secular religion,” not in the meaning of that phrase intended by Robert Spencer above in describing the irreligious Left’s deification of its own perspective, ideals, and dreams. But Christianity, though not a “secular religion in that sense, is a secularist religion, in the sense that it rejects the merging of religion and state. How so? The fusion of religion and state is rejected in significant part because the central figure depicted in the New Testament says “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, to God the things that are God’s,” and “My Kingdom is not of this world.” He tells Pontius Pilate that because “My Kingdom is not of this world,” Jesus’s followers did not fight Pilate’s men. These and other statements strongly influenced the development of the Christian world. It is true that over the centuries popes have tried to dominate kings and kings have tried to dominate popes. But there remained always an at least latent sense that there were to be two distinct realms, even if people were often mistaken or confused about where exactly the boundary properly should be drawn, if drawn at all. But the two-realms notion, along with other elements of Judeo-Christian culture, helped bring it about that European society could progress and evolve, such that we eventually arrived at the European Enlightenment and thence to the First Amendment of the US Constitution, which legally codified the two-realms idea. It seems worth mentioning also that while one can blame the Wars of Religion on Christians, one cannot blame those wars on Christianity. The Wars of Religion involved political forces and kings seeking to abuse Christianity by turning it into a means to secure or enhance their own state power. The teachings of Jesus do not permit imposing Christianity via state compulsion. So the Christians who tried to do that were in effect heretics, not Christians.
James Lincoln says
Fine post, eduardo odraude.
Just think where the United States would be now if the First and Second amendments to the U.S. Constitution had not been proposed by the US Congress and ratified by the States…
Kilauea says
An internet scanning computer would be sending a notice to the Ministry of Truth to bring you in for re-educaton.
Wellington says
I think it arguable, James, that the First and Second Amendments are two of the finest statements arguing for freedom by the people at the “expense” of government. Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence is right up there too as are certain documents in English history like the Petition of Right (1628) and the Bill of Rights (1689).
yiyoya says
Are you saying that the Renaissance, the Age of Reason, and the Age of Enlightenment were the result of Christianity? Maybe it wasn’t Christianity that led to those historical periods? Maybe Christianity in and by itself could NOT have led to the Renaissance? Maybe, just maybe, the Renaissance was essentially the result of the re-introduction to Western Civilization of Greek Paganism? The rediscovery and re-introduction to the West of Aristotle? Here’s another opinion —
“The early Christians did contribute some good ideas to the world, ideas that proved important to the cause of future freedom. I must, so to speak, give the angels their due. In particular, the idea that man has a value as an INDIVIDUAL — that the individual soul is precious — is essentially a Christian legacy to the West; its first appearance was in the form of the idea that every man, despite Original Sin, is made in the image of God (as against the pre-Christian notion that a certain group or nation has a monopoly on human value, while the rest of mankind are properly slaves or mere barbarians). But notice a crucial point: this Christian idea, by itself, was historically impotent. It did nothing to unshackle the serfs or stay the Inquisition or turn the Puritan elders into Thomas Jeffersons. Only when the religious approach lost its power — only when the idea of individual value was able to break free from its Christian context and become integrated into a rational, secular philosophy — only then did this kind of idea bear practical fruit.
What — or who — ended the Middle Ages? My answer is: Thomas Aquinas, who introduced Aristotle, and thereby REASON, into medieval culture. In the thirteenth century, for the first time in a millennium, Aquinas reasserted in the West the basic PAGAN approach. Reason, he said in opposition to Augustine, does not rest on faith; it is a self-contained, natural faculty, which works on sense experience. Its essential task is not to clarify revelation, but rather, as Aristotle had said, to gain knowledge of this world. Men, Aquinas declared forthrightly, must use and obey reason; whatever one can prove by reason and logic, he said, is true. Aquinas himself thought he could prove the existence of God, and he thought that faith is valuable as a supplement to reason. But this did not alter the nature of his revolution. His was the charter of liberty, the moral and philosophical sanction, which the West had desperately needed. His message to mankind, after the long ordeal of faith, was in effect: “It’s all right. You don’t have to stifle your mind anymore. You can think.”
The result, in historical short order, was the revolt against the authority of the Church, the feudal breakup, the Renaissance. Renaissance means “rebirth,” rebirth of reason and man’s concern with this world. Once again, as in the pagan era, we see secular philosophy, natural science, man-glorifying art, and the pursuit of earthly happiness. It was a gradual, tortuous change, with each century becoming more worldly than the preceding, from Aquinas to the Renaissance to the Age of Reason to the climax and end of this development: the eighteenth century, the Age of Enlightenment. This was the age in which America’s founding fathers were educated and in which they created the United States.” – – from “Religion versus America” by Objectivist philosopher Leonard Peikoff (available for free online)
gravenimage says
Odd that there was no Renaissance or Age of Enlightenment in the Muslim world–just in the Christian world.
Mario says
Great piece, Robert, as usual. One tiny little thing thogh. The “Spanish Inquisition” reference wasn’t necessary as it is part of a big myth pedelled by the protestants. (Those curious please look into the Black Legend). A similar anti-propaganda effort in tone, though much more recent and much smaller in scope, is what was done with Mccarthyism.
Shastra says
Yeah, America isn’t a stolen land. It was part of Europe for thousands of years. So how are you different from the left?
RichardL says
Apropos what was that?
Wellington says
Almost everyone took land from others. The Islamic world took huge swaths of land through conquest. Various Indian tribes long before Columbus arrived (and after too) conquered hunting grounds of other tribes and subordinated or eliminated those tribes. Conquests by one people against another, with land appropriated, has occurred all over the earth over the centuries and millennia—in sub-Saharan Africa, throughout Asia, etc. To single out only Europeans and the West is indicative of an agenda and not a quest for truth.
Shastra says
lol thanks for proving you people are no different from muslims. so islamists and christian europeans invading massacring people mindlessly is same as a buddhist, hindu or doaist etc conquering kingdom. lol europe and middle east is not the whole world. for ex indians followed gentleman war code unlike europeans and islamic world.
https://www.sanskritimagazine.com/indian-religions/hinduism/hinduism-code-ethics-war/
Wellington says
Shastra: I proved no such thing. The contrast between Christianity and Islam is vast and you refuse to see this. The fact that some Christians are bad does not alter the theological blueprint of Christianity, contra Islam. As just one example, there is nothing in Christianity, nothing in the New Testament, that calls for a Christian who leaves his faith (as I did) to be killed. But Islam EXACTLY calls for this. In the Koran itself, Sura 4:89, it states that “those who leave the way of Allah seize them and kill them.”
As for following a code in war, the West traditionally had all kinds of codes to be followed in war time. The Geneva Convention is a testimony to this. In the American Civil War it was understood and carried out, minus a very few exceptions, that women and children were not to be harmed. Even the Germans under Nazi rule would not blow up Red Cross ships (though the Japanese would). So, your claim that the West has followed no codes in war is blatantly false on its face. And do you really want to claim that Hindus always followed codes of war or were the only ones that had them? Really? Are you this ignorant? Are you this blindly tendentious?
You are pushing an agenda and not interested in the truth. And your bias is rank. Done with you.
Shastra says
me pushing a agenda seriously thats quite rich from coming from you. once again proved your bias japanese would do it but a Nazi wouldnt the total bias against anything which is not west. you took modern west as an ex to prove medieval times they were noble lol great. here is a book on how your geneva convention can learn from hindus. please prove that your brit followed it in india.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/26294280?seq=1
if you people were so noble why didnt you people all yazidis as refugees instead let them die. so exposing christian double standards is agenda. thanks for proving that christians and hindus can never be allies.
gravenimage says
Apropos of Shastra hating America.
The idea that our defeating ISIS was not enough in our saving the Yezidis is just absurd.
Sunny says
True. The comments clearly indicate you hit the nail on the head. Can’t stand for someone to be right.The absolute truth scares the crap out of them doesn’t it.How long must we endure the hatred born of learned stupidity? Conveniently they miss the real history lessons.1400 years of hatred by Islam the religion of Satanists moral morons,psycopaths.More stolen land by them than any other. Which lets talk about that a minute.If they were so dang great, why steal land and force people into their religion.Oh ,thats right, most won’t willingly follow a satanist psycopath.Thats why the god forsaken blood bath needed to subdue your fake followers. Fake they are, first chance they will overthrow their captors.Remember folks they hate all that aren’t them which is most of us.No matter if you are hindu buddist christian jewish atheist or even a Satanist.If we don’t stick together long enough and start bickering about our own religions, they will use it and divide us even further.
Sobieski says
At that, everything is stolen land. Where is the starting point, the starting time?
Granted there have been unjust appropriations of people, property and land. Perhaps all land ownership is unjust.
Your thoughts please.
FYI says
Pope francis,the Man in White,once said that Donald Trump was not a Christian but that’s a bit rich coming from somebody who once famously said “Who am i to Judge?”
Exactly francis,who are YOU to judge?
{You are not God although in your authoritarianism and your delusion of fraudulent holiness you probably think you are}
Besides ,Mr Bergoglio{..as a small MINORITY of discerning Catholics know who are appalled by his heresies and promotion of apostasy within the Catholic Church and his pandering to islam,Globalism and the Leftists..}is not a catholic himself and given his pandering to islam and public denying of Christ,is not even a Christian.
“Is the pope a catholic?”
This one isn’t.It may be hard for the brainwashed to see it.
Put it this way:whatever you think of Mr Trump, he is at least patriotic and more of a christian than pope francis{I can see the Lefties lose it at this point..}
Mr Trump was not elected on the basis of being a saint :unlike mr bergoglio who seems to think he is God’s jesuit gift to mankind.
No wonder he always dresses in white so everybody will think he is as pure as snow.
gravenimage says
The Real Reason Why They Hate Him: Donald Trump is a Heretic from the Left’s Secular Religion
……………..
Fine analysis.
OTTER says
The left accuses Donald Trump of dividing the country. The truth is exactly the opposite.
The democrats have brought this country to a state of virtual Civil War as they rejected the democratic election which brought him to power. They have exaggerated, falsely accused him on every possible thing they can think of. The hate in them is so strong that they are determined to prevent him from winning the 2020 election.
By their constant negativity, their aim is to create a feeling in the people that Donald Trump is to tiresome and too exhausting a man to be the president once again.
I wish to reiterate this point : more women are likely to be democratic then Republican; they are a key constituency in this election and could be decisive. Young women, especially unmarried young women, whose numbers have gradually increased in this country, tend to get put off by Donald Trump not because of issues but simply because of appearances. They vote on emotion. This is a national security threat.
A democratic victory— We all know its implications in making this country even more susceptible to the influx of Muslims and Islam.
We are way past the stage of clash of civilizations, it is the willing surrender of the civilization.
James Lincoln says
OTTER says,
“more women are likely to be democratic then Republican…”
There is evidence to support that.
There was an article in “Psychology Today” 2014 titled:
“Why Do Women and Men Vote Differently?”
I can’t currently corroborate the “emotion” part of your post – men also vote on “emotion”. Your take may be true, I’m just not sure…
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-hidden-agenda-the-political-mind/201411/why-do-women-and-men-vote-differently
gravenimage says
Recall, though, that OTTER is pushing the agenda that white men have to *control* white women, and believes that the West should emulate Islam in crushing the rights of women.
Sunny says
Is otter a closet Muslim? How very ridiculous of him to think all people vote with emotion.No matter the age or sex.
gravenimage says
No, OTTER is not a Muslim. He does disturbingly advocate our emulating them in some ways, though.
tgusa says
They don’t just hate Trump they hate all of his 60 million plus voters. They hate successful American small business owners. They hate the USA and everything America and Americans stand for. They even hate themselves. That’s why they are burning and looting their own democrat run areas down.
The hate is directed at Trump but it could just as well be any pro America person that the hate would be directed toward.
tgusa says
They are rioting burning and looting their own areas, because, Trump? Violence is not an isolated incident. The media is claiming America is on fire. America is not on fire democrat run areas are on fire. Me along with many others are here in non democrat free America, I am ordering a pizza from a local small business and getting a few beers. The neighbor is having a kids birthday party and I’m seeing the kids out there in front jumping in the jump room mom or dad rented. Civilized America, the majority, is not on fire. Uncivilized America is on fire. But yes, the evil mastermind Trump is behind all of this, everything (with help from Russians) of course.
mortimer says
Response to Mario re ‘Spanish Inquistion is a myth’. I disagree: During the 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition, between 3,000-5,000 real (not ‘mythical’) people were sentenced to death (about 1 per month). The Inquisition was a war on private conscience. What stopped the Inquisition was the Enlightenment and the revolutions that the Enlightenment spawned. The church and the state became separate.
We are trying to enlighten Muslims so that will abandon their Death Cult which is exceedingly more deadly than the Inquisition … nor has the Islamic ‘inquistion’ ended today. (The Spanish Inquisition was closed around 1800.) The RCC eventually abandoned its control over speech and its war on the freedom of conscience.
Shastra says
Lol, only that much why don’t you reduce it to one per year. Yet you people complain about Muslims doing taqqiya. Yet you people do the same. The irony
tgusa says
Lol, smart way to start a response and get peoples attention. Christians don’t behead you blow you up torture and enslave your children if you don’t convert. But you people seem to have no problem with that.
gravenimage says
The claim that the Baptist Church has created “Christian Al-Qaeda” is of course ludicrous claptrap. There are estimated to be no more than 800 in the “National Liberation Front of Tripura”, and they are not recognized by any mainstream church.
This is like pointing to loon Joseph Kony as proof that Christians are waging Jihad.
gravenimage says
What did Mortimer say that was not true? Of course, Shastra does not say.
Shastra says
Yeah during Spanish Inquisition only 3500-5000 died. The population of native Americans was only 10000 lol. Seriously how shameless can you be. Next Muslims also say the same isis is not approved by mainstream Islam. Both are examples of what will happen when Muslims and Christians become the majority. Next, when the US-based Christian organisation USCIRF continuously demonizes India and Hindus. Christians don’t do anything about it. Yet Hindus have to support Christians who are no different from Muslims.
gravenimage says
Shastra has claimed before that Christian groups are applauding the beheading of girls as a part of feminism. Just ludicrous calumny.
What he *really* hates is the free West, not Jihad.
Shastra says
Who said, Christian Inquisition has ended. Did Christians stop sending their missionary mafia’s no. To this day it is continuing in a subtle manner. Lol, You people are no different from Muslims.
Roger Woodhouse says
And ‘you muslims’ just cant face reality.Muslims kill because their religion tells them to.Christians are forbidden by their love of God not to kill.Politicians go to war for ‘political /socio /political reasons throughout history and not for ‘Christianity’Unless you equate ‘culture ‘with Christianity.We will fight to prevent our ‘culture’ being subsumed by the false ‘religion’called Islam.The teaching of that false prophet Mohammed have no place in the civilised world.There is no peace under Islam.It will be removed from the Europe and the Westen world peaceably or by force.
Shastra says
when it comes to muslims it is religion. when it comes to Christians it is culture. the double standards of christians. the inquisition was a holy war otherwise half of the world wouldnt be christians. seriously how shameless can you be to defend it. yet you people have audacity to accuse muslims. muslims and christians are two sides of same coin both deny their crimes and try to justify it. if you people dont have problems with non believers you people wouldnt send missionary mafias to create genocides like rawanda.
RichardL says
Great argument, shastra! The Inquisition was about proselytising! I love it when people do that in debates; simply responds to something completely unrelated. It is done either by dumb or angry people.
Shastra says
lol it seems you are the dumb one here. why should indians especially hindus support christians. when they repeatedly demonize and persecute hindus. even go as far as supporting and making allies with muslims. by the way it is a fact inquisition was converting the whole world into a christian world. it is like saying muslim rulers invasion during medieval times didnt have religious angle. you shamelessly justify it yet lecture muslims when they do the same about islamic invasions. the irony
https://www.opindia.com/2020/01/church-christians-anti-caa-26-january-save-constitution-day/
gravenimage says
Where are Christians persecuting Hindus? What vicious claptrap.
yiyoya says
Subtle manner? To equate discussion and persuasion with the threat of force and violence is intellectual dishonesty and/or lack of intelligence. Which one are you?
“Man’s rights can be violated only by the use of physical force. It is only by means of physical force that one man can deprive another of his life, or enslave him, or rob him, or prevent him from pursuing his own goals, or compel him to act against his own rational judgment.
The precondition of a civilized society is the barring of physical force from social relationships—thus establishing the principle that if men wish to deal with one another, they may do so only by means of reason: by discussion, persuasion and voluntary, uncoerced agreement.” – Ayn Rand
Shastra says
so this your right of persuasion by that logic muslims are doing the same. so why are you butthurt about slow invasion of islamists. the double standards of christians lol.
http://indiafacts.org/the-truth-of-christian-missionaries-in-india/
gravenimage says
Of course, the article that Shastra links to does not say that Christian missionaries in India are violent, either. Does he not even bother to read the stories he links to, of does he just hope that we won’t?
gravenimage says
Shastra has made this ludicrous claim before–that peaceful preaching is actually “the mafia”.
Note that he does not have any actual problem with violent Jihad, though–not that he says.
Shastra says
Where they persecuted I already given you enough proofs yet you shamelessly denied it saying they don’t represent main church just like muslims saying they don’t represent true Islam. https://www.heritagefoundation.org.in/Download/articles/thirteen_years_of_killings.pdf
Now look at most terrorism taking place in Islamic and Christian strongholds. https://satp.org/datasheet-terrorist-attack/fatalities/india
Shastra says
Lol opposing Christians doesn’t mean supporting Jihadis. Infact in India Christians and muslims are allies. So it is natural I oppose both. https://www.opindia.com/2020/01/church-christians-anti-caa-26-january-save-constitution-day/ open your eyes and read it.
Sunny says
Shastra if you can provide total proof please do. Christians as a rule don’t persecute.True Christians won’t preach or teach if you refuse the offer. Many united states citizens were raised in Christian homes. Consider themselves as having Christian values morals, though they may not practice the religion traditionally anymore. If you are referring to certain sects of Christianity that believe theirs is the only way[mafia like]then you aren’t alone in that aggravation. Other Christians feel the same way.
gravenimage says
Shastra’s own links don’t say what he claims they do.
mortimer says
Robert Spencer is quite correct in this philosophical tract. Indeed, Leftists are very religion and their deity is themselves. They arrogantly make up their own morality, rather than humbly accept it from a holy book.
This is why we see armies of arrogant Leftists rioting in the US at this moment. They believe they are INFALLIBLE and they must destroy and burn the HERETICS who don’t agree with their egotistical religion.
Leftism is not just a secular religion, but a secular, INFALLIBLE RELIGION.
No Leftist dares to break ranks or he becomes a target for this extremely INTOLERANT, CONCEITED CULT.
-“…if any opinion is compelled to silence, that opinion may, for aught we can certainly know, be true. To deny this is to assume our own INFALLIBILITY.”
-John Stuart Mill, On Liberty (1859).
yiyoya says
Mortimer says, “They arrogantly make up their own morality, rather than humbly accept it from a holy book.”
Mortimer, isn’t that exactly the heart of the problem? Accepting things on faith apart from or in contradiction to the conclusions of REASON? Why should anyone humbly accept a morality from any holy book (apart from or even in contradiction to the facts of reality and the conclusions of reason), just because they consider it a holy book? The Left’s holy book is “The Communist Manifesto”, and their religion is Socialism. Their god is the Almighty State. And the Socialist humbly submits to the morality of altruism and it’s political implementation of Collectivism via Socialism. The muslim’s holy book is the Koran, and you know what that one leads to — same thing, different flavor.
The most significant insight in the article is this: “Religious faith can be rational, but it often is not…”. How can any morality, or moral edict, that stands apart from, or in contradiction to reality, and the conclusions of reason, be considered holy? Such a morality by definition is irrational, and the irrational is the immoral. Nature forbids man the irrational, on threat of pain and/or death.
“What is the moral code of altruism? The basic principle of altruism is that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that service to others is the only justification of his existence, and that self-sacrifice is his highest moral duty, virtue and value….
The social system based on and consonant with the altruist morality—with the code of self-sacrifice—is socialism, in all or any of its variants: fascism, Nazism, communism. All of them treat man as a sacrificial animal to be immolated for the benefit of the group, the tribe, the society, the state. Soviet Russia is the ultimate result, the final product, the full, consistent embodiment of the altruist morality in practice; it represents the only way that that morality can ever be practiced.” – Ayn Rand
Shastra says
Then please ask him to stop sending the missionary mafia to countries like India to destabilize it.
gravenimage says
Of course, the United States government is not sending missionaries. What Shastra here is actually demanding is that the US government strip Christians of their rights.
And how are peaceful missionaries “mafia”? This poster will not say, because he’s got nothing.
Shastra says
Lol seriously how shameless can you be when did I support untouchability. Please tell me how the hell untouchability is same as slavery? How low can you go. Next so your saying it is right of USCIRF to demonize Hindus and indians. How disgusting can you be. Yet you want support of hindus. I have nothing I have already given proof. Calling them peaceful makes you no different from muslims lol. http://christianaggression.org/2016/04/29/national-liberation-front-of-tripura-nlft/
gravenimage says
What is Shastra babbling about here?
Shastra says
If India interferes in this matter saying we are ready to help the USA then USA would be butthurt saying how dare India interferes in internal matters of USA. Yet both the USA and European Union without an iota of shame interfere in internal affairs of India. They still have an imperialistic colonial hangover. That’s why they have the intervention policy.
Westman says
What other ally does India have besides the US? What other nation lets them take jobs that put Americans out of work? Are you ready to face Pakistan’s nukes, alone, and the resulting action when India is forced to drive its internal Muslims to Pakistan?
Your sense of security and complaint against a nation that never colonized India is resting on a foundation of sand. Any Muslim in India has a limited future.
Shastra says
lol better be alone than with a backstabber ally. never interfered are you living rock. who supported pakistan in bangladesh war against india it was USA. just because you closed your eyes this didnt happen lol. first a control on your hyena https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/world/uscirf-india-prejudice-hate-time-coronavirus
say that to your fellow christians
http://indiafacts.org/rutgers-university-white-supremacy-hinduphobia/
Roger Woodhouse says
Get islam out of India.It has no right to be there.Muslims ‘chose’ to leave India for that shithole called Pakistan in 1947.They cannot live side by side with any other religion without fermenting trouble.Islam is a curse on the world.
wpm says
I think India has a lot more to fear from its own Muslim population and Jihad then any “American or European interferes in internal matters”.Can you site what American or any “European power” is doing today to interfere with the Indian government or India affairs?Is the “missionary mafia” kidnapping under age Indian Hindu girls to force conversion to, Christianity and marry them off to forced marriages to middle age Christian men?Are they fighting border wars with India trying to seize Indian land?Are they planting bombs ,shooting stabbing people in the street in the name of Jesus ? Are they trying to pass Christian special protection laws that make it against the law to draw anti-Jesus cartoons, make it illegal to say anything negative against Christianity, do priest from altar call for death at Sunday Mass for insulting Christianity?Did Christians invade Indian about a thousand years ago killing up to 100 Million Hindus torn down their temples, kidnapped rape and sold their women into slavery?Do Christian priest call non-Christians breast, pigs from the altar at Sunday Mass? Do Christians preach they are the best of people while non-Christians are second class barely human to them?How many Muslims hold elected office in Indian ,how many Christian Indian people hold elected office in Indian?How many Hindu elected official appease and excuse bad behavior from the Indian Muslim population(with no influence from American,or European powers that are suffering from imperialistic hangover) ?
gravenimage says
True, wpm. Shastra never says anything critical about Muslims mass slaughtering Hindus.
Major Tom says
God bless President Trump! God bless America! From Canada!
OTTER says
The reelection of Donald Trump is a matter of the highest national priority. Vote for him, and ask all your friends and relatives to do the same. Tell them there is chaos waiting for them if the Democrats come to power. They are the unashamed party of Islam.
James Lincoln says
OTTER,
You are correct. The United States is one election away from total leftist / islamist chaos…
Ronald Lorette says
Hi. Christian Missionaries are not sent to India by the American government. The individual Christians are following Jesus command to go into all the world and make disciples for Jesus,even if it means getting their heads cut off,or being imprisoned for life.They are not going to other countries to live on the welfare systems of host country. They are self supporting and bring food ,clothing,build shelters and take most of the 1/2 million orphans off the street and give them comfort and shelter. Christians missionaries also do not go to other countries to eventually take over the other countries wealth,legal system,with something called Sharia with its genital mutilation,and full covering of women because the men cannot control their sexual urges. If genital mutilation is supposedly cultural ,then the Imams can easily command it to stop as they do not have much of a problem commanding other things they do not like about The West to stop. Hard to stop a 1400 year old practice. Old habits die hard and just think how out of control the islamic women would be if they were allowed to enjoy SEX. Male dominated society has a hard time with that one. Ask some of the adults of India how they feel about missionaries teaching them to read ,write, get educated and get good jobs to provide for their families. I will bet that they are very thankful,which the Christian Missionary hater cannot feel .Sometimes you have to be on the inside looking out to appreciate something.
Shastra says
no one is thankful to christian missionaries. even before missionaries schools existed in india. first do some research on india. your missionary schools do conversion and brainwash young kids into hating their culture. also they dont offer free education and they take extravagant fees for it especially for non christians. here is the reality of your missionaries http://indiafacts.org/religious-crusades-cia/
mortimer says
Shastra, you are using kitman and tawriyya.
Shastra says
lol i have already given sufficient proofs care to read. ones doing tawriyya and kitaman are christians, churches and their missionary mafia who in the name of helping people destabilize countries and conduct genocides like rawanda. so how are you people different from muslims?
Wellington says
Shastra: Christian ideology is not a recipe for war, nor does Christianity demand death for apostasy, death or severe punishment for criticism of Christianity, nor does it sanction rape or condone deception. Islam sanctions all that I have mentioned. Moreover, Christianity is not an enemy of freedom. Islam is.
And remember, I am not religious, but Christianity is not evil, some Christians are but Christianity itself is not. Islam is evil to its core and even though some Muslims are not evil, it is the ideology which is paramount. You won’t get any of this but I state it for the record because truth needs to be expressed when confronted by massive distortion and ignorance such as you engage in.
Shastra says
christianity is a evil no different from islam. second largest terrorist organisation belongs to Christianity in india. which is supported by western christians and western countries never talk about it. when christians say their god alone is truth rest are false how are christians different from muslims. massive distortion and demonization is done by christians not by me. an ex
http://indiafacts.org/minority-report-hows-blacks-became-demonised-in-america/
https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/world/uscirf-india-prejudice-hate-time-coronavirus
Wellington says
For you, Shastra, to call Christianity evil just confirms you should not be taken seriously by anyone who is a serious thinker.
No different from Islam as you aver? Well, almost 37,000 documented Islamic terrorist attacks worldwide done in the name of Islam just since 9/11, as opposed to virtually zero documented terrorist attacks done in the name of Christianity since 9/11, only reveals you for the colossal fool and the silly moral equivalency thinking rube that you are since you, in full stupid mode, equate Islam with Christianity.
I don’t know for sure what your game is, but whatever it is it is a sick and twisted game, just as you are sick and twisted. You reveal far more about yourself than you will ever know. You deserve no regard. None whatsoever. You are a profoundly ignorant human being and you are displaying your colossal ignorance with each comment of yours. Get lost, loser.
Shastra says
Thanks for repeatedly proving me that you don’t know anything India or Hinduism. Using colonial to judge Hinduism. That is same as Muslims using mullahs advice to judge none non-believers. Christian terrorism is well documented. Just because you closed your eyes doesn’t make it disappear hypocrite. I have given sufficient proves yet shamelessly justify it. Yet you audacity to complain on Muslims. Care to read https://www.heritagefoundation.org.in/Download/articles/thirteen_years_of_killings.pdf
How shamelessly you equate slavery with untouchability. That clearly shows who has the agenda here. Sati would be practiced by any women when you have ravaging Muslims and Christians taking women as sex slaves. You are different from Muslims who do similar justification bigot. Brits caring for Indian women lol this is their real face. If all women committed sati who could they use as sex slaves? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/28/mumbai-sex-slaves-prostitution-india
gravenimage says
Of course, Christians do not take sex slaves.
And that the appalling Shastra is in favor of regarding humans as “untouchable” and of burning widows to death is just appalling.
Thank goodness most Hindus are not like this.
Shastra says
Care to read before spewing colonial propaganda on India and hindus. http://indiafacts.org/hindu-civilisation-and-slavery/
http://indiafacts.org/book-summary-western-foundations-of-the-caste-system-i/
Shastra says
This an ex of massive distortion and ignorance done by you people
http://indiafacts.org/sati-atrocity-narrative-civilizing-mission/
gravenimage says
Claiming that someone is “ignorant” or “colonial” is they oppose designating victims as “untouchables” or burning widows to death is grotesque.
There are many wonderful things about Hinduism–but these are not among them.
Note that *very* few Hindus actually want to bring these atrocities back.
Wellington says
Solid reply, gravenimage, to the hater, Shastra, who actually disgraces Hinduism.
gravenimage says
True, Wellington.
That Shastra is actually spouting apologia for *burning women to death* is just sickening.
Alice W. says
I think you are very very confused, sir! You know nothing of what Jesus taught! He is the Light of the world. He came to set captives free and show how a loving God can forgive sin by shedding His own blood. When His followers cut off a soldiers ear HE HEALED him. I pray that you also may read HIS words so you may be HEALED…
Shastra says
lol christians preach something and practice something else. so why did christians practice slavery can please explain. iam not confused iam crystal clear about scam by christians and muslims.
Wellington says
All the world practiced slavery, Shastra, but it was the Judeo-Christian world which first recognized how evil it was and took many steps to eradicate it. No civilization in history has done more to terminate slavery than Western Civilization.
And while we’re at it, though I have respect for Hinduism, its traditional caste system is a negative comment upon it. It represents a kind of slavery, sanctioned no less by a major religion—Hinduism. The “Untouchables” rot is a stain upon Hinduism for a very long time, if not forever. And the practice of suttee, ended by the British, serves as yet another example of how any culture can get things terribly, horribly wrong.
You see the wrongs of others but see no wrongs with your world. Pathetic. And time to grow up.
gravenimage says
Spot on, Wellington.
GOLDMANN says
Alice W ✝️????️?️amen, and amen !!!!♥️
Sunny says
I cant really comment on the direct influence of Christians in India. I can say though that the idea of untouchability is seen by us citizens in a bad light. It has been used both by religion and hundreds of years ago as a legal punishment[here in the USA].It is known as shunning. It is intended to exact a change or reform. It is meant to end not be life long like the untouchables. It also is meant for the truly quilty .Unfortunately we didn’t have a very good track record with it either. It was one of the reasons it fell out of favor as a legal punishment.
Most churches don’t follow it either anymore for some of the same reasons.
OTTER says
I know Christianity in India very well. They have done some amazing work in education and their education facilities are utilized by all including members of the elite. However there is another darker side to Christianity in India and it would be useless to deny that. They consider Hindus as heathens just waiting to be rescued through a good message of Jesus Christ.
While I do not deny that Hindu society has many faults we do not see Jesus Christ as savior. It is Christian aggressiveness and pushing their God which makes them sometimes unwelcome in India. Live and let live is India’s and Hindus’ motto.
And also, to all my dear Christian friends, I would like to point to the genius of the Hindu mind including yoga which has provided so much of comfort in the west.
For the record, I admire the many good things of Christianity, including its message of love, its open mindedness, but do not want aggressive Christian missionary efforts to spread the gospel in India.
If Christian missionaries think that Hindus are sunk in superstition, be aware that the Hindu mind has incredible powers of self reflection and self correction.
Hinduism is a flexible and open religious system and inherently open to absorbing positive external influences from Christianity.
Unlike Islam, I might gratuitously add.
gravenimage says
OTTER, Hindus who are not interested in Christianity can just ignore it–that’s what I do with peaceful Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses. Try doing that with Islam.
Shastra says
Lol when did I support untouchability. How low can you go. How the hell is untouchability is same as slavery. Peaceful missionaries lol India’s largest terrorist organisation is naxalism so peaceful right lol. https://www.oneindia.com/india/how-christian-missionaries-are-funding-naxals-their-urban-friends-to-break-india-2713576.html
Gene Easley says
This article is garbage. Robert Spencer is delusional, I used to respect him even bought his book History of Jihad but Robert Spencer is a sellout not concerned about Muslim vaccine czar Moncef Slaoui and the dangerous forced vaccines, digital tattooing, tracking/tracing. God told me not to follow Trump anymore because he is an antichrist preparing the way for THE ANTICHRIST and if you look at what Trump has done it all fits, he’s bought and paid for by the New World Order, an underling of Bill Gates; Trump has brought America to it’s knees, buckling the economy, soon to force Gates influenced vaccines into our arms, tag us like cattle (digital tattoos), require Nazi style travel documents (health certificates), introduce real-time social distancing/contact tracking/tracing…essentially all of the Democrat policies are being implemented in the name of Covid-19–socialism–monthly economic stimulus checks; don’t need a literal green deal when nobody is travelling, businesses aren’t manufacturing–a locked down nation doesn’t produce ‘green house gases’. All politicians are working together for the almighty dollar–no difference between Dems and Republicans. Trump not addressing social media censorship is just a hint that he doesn’t care because he knows it’s all part of the New World Order takeover of humanity.
Wellington says
Seek help. Soon.
gravenimage says
Is this poster high?
truthout says
No go google the name.Trump has a mussie working on the vaccine.Operation Warp Speed.Yes they are working on chips.Whether they work is up for dispute, but they are working on it, whether your brain can handle that truth or not.Claiming someone is crazy or high is right out of the old soviet play book.Lets ignore truth and shut down the people bringing it to you.I am more than well acquainted with it even though I am a US citizen born and bred for hundreds of years.You disgust me with the use of it.
gravenimage says
The idea that I have ever denied that Trump has named a Muslim to Operation Warp Speed is quite false. I have in fact noted this previously, and not positively.
That being said, the claims from Gene Easley that this will result in forced vaccine, digital tattoos, Nazi-style travel documents, and socialism is baseless. Even more bizarre is his claim that President Trump is the Antichrist. Note that neither he nor truthout back any up any of these bizarre claims.
And no: a private citizen–myself–casually describing someone as “high” is *not* the same thing as the state designating someone as mentally ill and confining them to a state institution as happened under Communism in the Soviet Union. Not only did I not suggest any such treatment regarding Mr. Easley–nor would I–but I also have no state power whatsoever.
In fact, I did not do anything to shut down Mr. Easley here.
People who regard replying to speech as shutting down freedom of speech show that they do not understand what freedom of speech entails. Someone has the right to state their opinions; they *do not* have the right to demand that no one be allowed to reply with free speech of their own.
truthout says
Actually I meant to reply to the poster above.No I wasn’t trying to shut down free speech. Sorry you thought so.No the rest of the spiel he is carrying I dont agree with.I have conversations with those who ignore science and it irks me no end.They are working on advanced chips I cant, even with all the evidence of a thousand scientists, get them to believe this.I am treated like I have two heads.I don’t believe that these chips are going to be used as many think[new world order and other beliefs]nor do I believe Trump is behind this absurdity.What I am afraid of is the corruption will extend and they will be used to maim and kill.Switch a medical chip and you get the idea.Becomes a great weapon at that point maim and kill with impunity.Oops that chip was placed wrongfully switched.Oh thats too bad they died.Hell might even just malfunction and kill.They most definitely don’t need to be manufactured in China.
gravenimage says
truthout, where have you provided “all the evidence of a thousand scientists” that we are being fitted with chips that can instantly kill us? Citations, please.
truthout says
To GravenImage
The use of a thousand scientists was metaphorical, not literal. The person I talk to the most, is quite hard headed and very opinionated .I don’t’ necessarily think the chips will apply to everyone. Its the fact, that like most tech, its two edged. Yes, if it goes mainstream, those who receive it, do have to worry. There have already been problems with implantable pacemakers[they were able to hack them. Super big no no shouldn’t ever happen]That alone should make one shudder. Now for the second act they would commit. Just imaging a modern day Dr. Oberheuser and a corrupt cop .See the handwriting yet. Yes they are operating on our shores and have been for decades .They use false warrants false lawsuits jd courts false medical diagnosis[covers] for torturing.
Most of the atrocities and the scars aren’t easily seen[where they are located isn’t seen in public]Well unless they lose their temper and leave the scar on the face .It won’t matter as you can’t identify them anyway .The bloody cowards make damn sure of that .Guess they realized their actions would get them killed .If you want to know how I know I carry the scars.
Aaron Hasselb says
Good greef
Trump spent the last 3+ years fighting off socialist
Democratic trying to lie impeachment thru the Senate
He has been attacked at every opportunity the deep state could come up with
Your points are nothing more
Than conspiracy stories I have heard for many decades
He was left.with a mess
Would prefer hillary
Or old Joe
I’m sure you would love their
train wreck
Greywizard says
This is nonsense, and while I follow you regularly, this does not do you credit. There are many reasons for opposing Trump, and if you are not aware of them, you are not listening.
mortimer says
Somewhat agree with yiyoya. The Leftards replace one holy book for another. They assume their own infallibility.
spiro says
Question
Did Mohamed really exist
If so did he really dictate the Koran
Why do they make pilgrimage to walk around a building housing a stone
The Koran sounds like the ramblings
Of a really sick person
Have a nice day
spiro says
To all you Trump bashers
Try real hard to remember what he has had to put up with for the past 4 years
So when your bashing him who would you prefer more of the past corruption
Get educated drop the talking points
Get back on your meds
PS your conspiracy theroys are getting old I’ve heard them for many decades
New ones please
Sunny says
Hey I am a deplorable buddy .Some things aren’t conspiracy but fact .Just like you are tired of worn and faded conspiracies, so to am I ,with soviet propaganda head games .Telling someone to get back on their meds is their soft approach .If having all facts is bashing, then by God, I aim on bashing .Somehow I don’t think Trump sees that as bashing .Yet you do. What gives?
spiro says
I’m not sure what Trump thinks but in my opinion has being bashed over everything
truthout says
I agree with you he has been bashed.Yes there are people who are extremely power hungry who would do the things the original poster talks about.The problem is that science and religion intersect in a way that it should be explained far more specifically.It wouldn’t seem like a conspiracy that way.