Rudy Giuliani's Son Didn't Speak to Him Over Alleged Relationship

Rudy Giuliani's son didn't speak to him because of the former New York mayor and Trump lawyer's alleged relationship with his podcast co-host, according to a secret recording submitted in court.

In the recording, Giuliani can be heard telling an employee: "All my friends think I'm crazy. My son doesn't talk to me anymore."

Giuliani was referring to his alleged relationship with his podcast co-host, Maria Ryan, and his continued good relationship with her husband, Bob Ryan.

The recording was made on December 19, 2019, by Giuliani employee Noelle Dunphy, and a transcript has been submitted in court as part of her $10 million sexual harassment claim against the former mayor.

Giuliani had spent Thanksgiving with the Ryans for the second year in a row and Rudy's son, Andrew Giuliani, did not approve, the former Trump lawyer told Dunphy.

Newsweek sought email comment on Monday from Rudy Giuliani, Andrew Giuliani, Maria Ryan and Bob Ryan.

In the recording, made on Dunphy's iPhone just a week before Christmas, Rudy Giuliani also says his son warned him that he would never speak to him again if he spent Christmas with the Ryans.

"This is the second Thanksgiving we did this. He [Andrew Giuliani] said: 'If you do it at Christmas I'm never going to talk to you again.'"

Dunphy replies: "Andrew wants you with him."

Giuliani then says that Andrew is concerned that Bob Ryan will eventually snap: "No, Andrew—Andrew thinks he's crazy."

When Dunphy replies: "He wants to protect you," Giuliani tells her: "He [Andrew] thinks he's crazy. He said: 'Someday he's going to kill you.'"

Dunphy then says: "Well, I can't decide ..." and Giuliani continues: "No, I don't think he's going to kill me. I don't think he's going to kill me. It's just weird."

At the time of the recording, Rudy Giuliani was preparing to work as legal adviser to former President Donald Trump's 2020 reelection campaign. Andrew Giuliani worked in the Trump administration as special adviser to the president.

Maria Ryan's credit card bill is a key focus of Rudy Giuliani's current bankruptcy case.

In the recordings, Giuliani appears to be heard saying, "... she loves me. But she can't leave her family, including her husband." He also suggests he still maintained a friendship with Ryan's husband, which Giuliani said is "the weirdest f****** thing."

Lawyers for Giuliani's creditors have referred to Ryan as Giuliani's "reported girlfriend" in bankruptcy filings and repeatedly questioned whether she was involved in hiding Giuliani's assets, a claim she strongly denies.

The lawyers have suggested Ryan's relationship with Giuliani incentivized her to hide his assets or to keep his assets from his creditors.

Ryan told Newsweek on June 18: "I am not his girlfriend. I consider him one of my best friends."

Giuliani declared bankruptcy after a jury awarded $148 million to two Georgia election workers who had won a defamation lawsuit against him. As an attorney for Trump in 2020, Giuliani falsely alleged mother and daughter Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss committed election fraud while counting ballots in Fulton County.

Michael Ragusa, Giuliani's head of security, told Newsweek on June 17 that Ryan is not Giuliani's girlfriend and that the two are only business partners.

"Dr. Maria Ryan is Mayor Giuliani's business partner and nothing more. Any reports of her being his girlfriend are false rumors made up by the mayor's enemies to damage his reputation and anyone associated with him," Ragusa said.

However, on the December 19, 2019, recording, Giuliani allegedly states of Ryan: "She has this tremendous connection to her family, and she loves me. But she can't leave her family, including her husband."

He then recounts that there is no unease between himself and Maria Ryan's husband.

"So, I had Thanksgiving dinner with them again. Bob [Ryan] made Thanksgiving
dinner for me. Then last Sunday, Maria got sick for about four days and she was in the hospital ... You know who took her home from the hospital? Bob and me."

Giuliani also recalls Maria Ryan saying that she and Giuliani could get married and Bob Ryan could live with them, as he and Giuliani get on so well. In the tape, Giuliani said Maria Ryan told him: "'If we get married, could Bob live—could Bob live with us? You seem—the two of you seem to get along so well.'"

Giuliani then remarks: "You know, it's true."

He later tells Dunphy: "But this is the weirdest f****** thing. We've had this, like, affair for two years and I'm friendly with her husband. Can't even figure it out."

A court reporter who transcribed the recording certified for the court that the transcription was a "true and accurate record of the proceedings."